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RD: Antonio Ángel Algora Hernando[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC.es)
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Emeritus Bishop of Ciudad Real and Prior of the Military Orders, and of Teruel and Albarracín. COVID-19 related death. Article needs a lot of work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Ongoing removal: Belarusian protests[edit]
Nominator's comments: I know it might be a bit annoying to discuss this every week but we can't keep this on the main page forever or until Lukashenko resigns when that news would get a blurb on its own. The protests have evidently lost momentum more than a month ago. This week's updates are about marches of certain demographic groups (e.g. LGBT people, seniors, mothers, handicapped people), detainment of the co-owner of a flower shop, trapping of a miner underground and announcement of an ultimatum with demands re-iterated zillion times before. Moreover, the content almost completely cites Russian-language sources amidst the lack of regular front-page coverage in the English-language media, which strongly indicates that the general notability of the protests has been brought down to local significance. Having all that said, I think it's time to remove this and keep free room for other developing stories such as the Nigerian protests. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support UNDUE tag, multiple sourcing issues noted in the infobox, far too granular coverage for an encyclopedia, antagonistic edit history. I wouldn't send it to AfD, but neither would I want to keep it on the Main Page.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support removal Hardly any media attention, and a 100 women on Wednesday and a handicapped rally yesterday can hardly be qualified as massive protest. KittenKlub (talk) 11:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support about time. The level of the protests has died down, and a few minor protests do not count as a major protest. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Protests are still ongoing, and should stay per the rationale from previous weeks. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 12:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Orbitalbuzzsaw. We won't remove the protest on mainpage until they remove Lukashenko. They are stil going currently --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 12:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's not how ongoing works. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's not how ongoing works. They might not even remove Lukashenko, and if they do, it'll take months. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's not how ongoing works. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Slight Support Protests have entered a bit of a stalemate, and news coverage has certainly died down (save for talk of the stalemate and Apple Censorship) though i say give it a few days and we'll see what happens. Gex4pls (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support removal - per nom, who makes a strong case. I did a web search on my own and I'm not seeing any substantial news coverage of major new protests. Time to remove this from Ongoing. Jusdafax (talk) 13:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support removal. Not really in the news any more. — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support – Scant coverage lately, but given the country's politiscape this topic could return anytime. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Nguyễn Văn Man[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VNexpress (in Vietnamese)
Credits:
- Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Major General of People's Army of Vietnam and a politician. Article is a bit short but should be RD passable. Killed by Tropical Storm Linfa. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Stub, too short for RD. And are there any English-language sources for his death. Gotitbro (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support seems ok enough, though I'd rather his military career info be moved from the intro to the career section, but thats not too big of a problem. Gex4pls (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Jole Santelli[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (La Repubblica)
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Italian politician, first female and incumbent president of Calabria. Shocking death in Italy's politics. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Somewhat short for RD, can be expanded from itwiki. English-language sources about her death would be good as well. Gotitbro (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Bhanu Athaiya[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: First Indian Oscar winner (costumes for Ghandi). Filmography needs sourcing but that's it. Masem (t) 15:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment Would support when filmography is sourced, otherwise mostly fine. Gotitbro (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)- Gotitbro, Source has been updated. Seems like all the movies are covered by that reference. If you spot any missing -- feel free to add the [citation needed] tag. But, on a cursory glance -- seems sourced. Ktin (talk) 02:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks well written and well sourced. Gex4pls (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
(Ready) President of Kyrgyzstan resigns[edit]
Blurb: President of Kyrgyzstan Sooronbay Jeenbekov (pictured) resigns amidst electoral protests, Prime Minister Sadyr Zhaparov declares himself acting president. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Sadyr Japarov, a Kyrgyz nationalist, takes over as president of Kyrgyzstan following the resignation of President Sooronbay Jeenbekov.
News source(s): Reuters, AP, Guardian, Reuters update
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Currently one-sentence update. The protests item is then swapped from ongoing. Brandmeistertalk 09:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- This would be ITNR once we know who the successor will be. Maybe it should be anyway since someone has to take over. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
According to the basic law, the speaker is acting prez. Protests are still going on today calling for dissolution of parliament and his resignation though.195.250.80.226 (talk) 11:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC) Perhaps post it "amidst protests" with the protest link below.195.250.80.226 (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Support per ITNR. The blurb can amended if successor is confirmed. 36.68.193.87 (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support ITNR This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 11:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wait per 331dot. Tensa Februari (talk) 11:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support in principle. The update consists of only one sentence and, given the detailed information in the preceding two paragraphs, it will benefit from adding one or two more.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support But maybe include his successor in the blurb, when the details come out. Gex4pls (talk) 12:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- We probably won't know the name of his successor until a presidential election takes place and the name of the acting president is not really newsworthy.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Wait– for a bit more info in the update. Thin. – Sca (talk) 13:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)- Support in principle (ITNR) but wait until a little more information is available and added to the relevant articles before posting. Vanilla Wizard 💙 16:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose the president is a powerless figure head his resignation is meaningless. The Prime Minister of Kyrgyzstan has the authority and whose recent replacement is what we should have blurbed if not for the baffling rules around "Head of State" here --LaserLegs (talk) 17:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- This is not an accurate description of how the government of Kyrgyzstan works. They did place more power into the parliament in 2010, but the President is still above the Prime Minister, just not by as much as he was before the 2010 constitutional referendum. It's totally inaccurate to say that he's a powerless figure. He has most of the same authorities as the US president: he the final say over if legislation gets signed into law, he has the commander in chief power, he controls foreign policy, etc. He even appoints the Prime Minister. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Queen Elizabeth II has all those same powers, yet everyone acknowledges she's a figurehead in the UK, with the PM having the real power. What's the difference? Of course, there's no doubt that if the Queen were to abdicate it would get posted, but that is because of constitutional monarchy being a rule for life situation. Kingsif (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- There's quite a large difference: the Queen has de jure but not de facto power, the president has de jure and de facto power. It's widely accepted that the Queen is a seemingly apolitical symbolic figurehead who would never de facto exercise her de jure powers. This is not true of the President of Kyrgyzstan, who is directly elected every six years and actually seeks to fulfill their campaign promises and move the country in a certain direction according to their political party's ideology. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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- If the Queen abdicated, that would be news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support While I would gravitate towards LaserLegs if it was a death or change of head of state but the fact that he resigned due to election protests is significant. Gotitbro (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, but have it be combined with the protests as a double-bold blurb. Move the protest article out of ongoing for now - both are sufficient for MP. Kingsif (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- The current PM has now declared himself acting president, so I've updated the blurb. Brandmeistertalk 07:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This is a very fluid situation, which will probably require the blurb to be changed regularly. It has already been changed (twice?) since the nomination was made. I think Ongoing is still the right place for this, but if we encounter the ITNR situation then it should go up immediately.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb – Now that an interim PM, Sadyr Japarov, has grasped the reins. Prefer Alt1.– Sca (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Akkitham[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Week, Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Indian poet and author. Padma Shri and Jnanpith Award winner. Article can do with a round of copy edits, but, should ready soon, if not already. Copy edits done. Article is good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 08:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good would like to see more about his literary work in the lead than just a list of awards though. Gotitbro (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Please can I request an additional pair of eyes on this one? Else, I think this is ready to go. Ktin (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
October 14[edit]
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RD: Fred Dean[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The San Diego Union-Tribune, San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk • give credit)
- Updated by KittenKlub (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Member of Pro Football Hall of Fame, won two Super Bowls with the San Francisco 49ers —Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support The article is big enough and well referenced. It's a shame that the only picture is his shirt without the player inside, but images are often hard to get. KittenKlub (talk) 11:26, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Reid[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu; The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: New Zealand cricketer; former captain, all-rounder, and a match-referee in his later avatar. Article is a start-class/C-class biography. Well referenced and cited. Expanded the article. Meets hygiene standards for homepage / RD in its current state, and is good to go once folks weigh in. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Yes everything seems sourced and ok for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support All sourcing in place, no close paraphrasing seen. Yoninah (talk) 11:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Herbert Kretzmer[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The New York Times; The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Bloom6132 (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, looks good to me, just please move (or copy) the Aznavour ref to the body, to not make that one decisive bit look unsourced ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Weaksupport - Everything has been taken care of now. A good article that is ready to be posted. Good job Bloom6132. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt and Destroyeraa: Thanks for spotting that! In this edit that I tagged as "minor", I somehow removed the refs for that paragraph. They've now been restored. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks good to go JW 1961 Talk 19:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Gotitbro (talk) 22:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Blurb/Ongoing: End SARS protests[edit]
Blurb: At least 10 people have been killed during protests to end the Special Anti-Robbery Squad in Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
- Created by Kabusa16 (talk • give credit)
- Updated by AfricanLibrarian (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: 10 people have died, and this has gained international attention. Nigeria dissolved SARS but replaced it with SWAT, which angered more people and caused more protests. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support for Blurb Interesting and definitely ITN worthy. Don't have time to look over the article but if that's all good I support This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The section heading and article title made me think this was about COVID :/. Not sure about the nom but 10 people getting killed does lend credence to the significance of the protests though the article lead is singularly focused on the online/social media aspect of it, that needs some work. Some references above in the media about the protests/killings would be nice as well. Gotitbro (talk) 22:06, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Unsee on major RS sites (except maybe Al Jazeera). Please keep in mind WP:NOR. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- The article has 100 sources, of which majority must be reliable. What WP:NOR are you smoking? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support for Blurb Seen a few articles, though less in US probably because of the elections. Its definitely important.Albertaont (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Blurb not crazy about the proseline, but significance is certainly there. Although I understand the potential for confusion, we should stick with End SARS. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb – This 3,500-word list of protests in Nigeria seems essentially parochial in import, lacking wider significance. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Hong Kong protests were "parochial in import, lacking wider significance", and we posted those This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Sca knows the rules, he just doesn't care. This constant refrain of his has long since become disruptive. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- AGF, NPA! – Sca (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's enough all of you. Let's be civil, comment on the article not the user, and not shout. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Explain how "parochial in import" is not opposing "an item because the event is only relating to a single country." GreatCaesarsGhost 20:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- AGF, NPA! – Sca (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Sca knows the rules, he just doesn't care. This constant refrain of his has long since become disruptive. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Hong Kong protests were "parochial in import, lacking wider significance", and we posted those This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb. This certainly is ITN-worthy. The article could benefit from being transformed into better prose but is quite well sourced. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted. I haven't seen a reliable source for the number of deaths so haven't included this in the blurb yet — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)- Straight to Ongoing I have been looking over this nomination and related news for a couple of days. The blurb as written doesn't convey the situation well, and I can't think of a better one that would. Briefly, the blurb implies that SARS is waiting to be disbanded (it already is), that the protests are about SARS (rather than police brutality or socio-economic reason, per the protestors during the last days), and that "protests" are alone are notable (they are not; the deaths were the motivating factor for nom and posting). The blurb as written is misleading, but a simple link to the broader description of events would fix that.130.233.2.170 (talk) 08:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
October 13[edit]
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(Posted) RD: Conchata Ferrell[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:
- Nominated by Johndavies837 (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Ktin (talk • give credit) and 80.111.96.185 (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Berta the housekeeper on Two and a Half Men Johndavies837 (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment Needs a few refs in the body of the article (tagged) and entire filmography and awards sections are uncited. Ping if fixed and I will support JW 1961 Talk 20:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)- Joseywales1961, Done! All citations completed! Looks good to go. Ktin (talk) 18:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose
For now per above. Gotitbro (talk) 23:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC) - Support. Fixed the citations in the body and the awards section;
Fixed half of the filmography section. Might require someone else to give it one more shot. I think this is getting there.DONE! All citations completed. Ktin (talk) 03:10, 14 October 2020 (UTC) - Support. The article looks fine and ready to go. KittenKlub (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Tropical Storm Linfa and Nangka[edit]
Blurb: Tropical storms Linfa and Nangka kill 53 people. (Post)
News source(s): (CNN) (Central Meteorological Observatory)
Credits:
- Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk • give credit)
- Created by Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
Elijahandskip (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Wait If it's so significant, why isn't there a main article for the storm? Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 15:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- It is in the draft stage right now. Here is the draft. I didn't feel comfortable to nominate a draft in the "Article" section. Once it is moved to article space, I will change article nominated to the main article. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- It was apparently submitted to Afc. Should a vote happen to bypass the Afc and move it to Article space as the draft currently would probably pass Afc. More information will also be added as the storm is still on going, so the Afc process will just stall it (And will be weird for the ITN nomination)? Elijahandskip (talk) 18:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support The CNN source says that the deaths are caused by monsoonal flooding, not just Nangka or Linfa. 40 deaths is a lot of people dead. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – On Tuesday absent from most Eng.-lang RS sites, i.e. not in the news as we know it. – Sca (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Neighboring countries are affected as well perhaps that too should be mentioned in the blurb (if the damage there is significant as well). Gotitbro (talk) 04:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Would an article of the monsoonal floods be better for the target article than having two tropical cyclones articles? INeedSupport 😷 13:45, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- @INeedSupport and Sca: Changed to only the two TCs, since news say that the TCs are different from the monsoonal flooding. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
StrongOpposeliterally the same as a normal tropical storm. Same as why Hurricane Delta failed.On 2nd thought, realized this is worse then normal. Still, Hurricane Earl of 2016 didn't make the news and killed 94 people.--67.85.37.186 (talk) 19:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)- Many storms, including Cyclone Ianos, Hurricane Leslie, and more made ITN even though it killed less. This now killed 53 people, which is a lot and why this should be posted. Saying Earl wasn't posted so this wasn't posted is WP:POINT. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Fair point. However, I don't want to add a currently active storm. However, i will be ok with Linfa. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Many storms, including Cyclone Ianos, Hurricane Leslie, and more made ITN even though it killed less. This now killed 53 people, which is a lot and why this should be posted. Saying Earl wasn't posted so this wasn't posted is WP:POINT. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support large loss of life from a weather event, definitely a support. Though, based on the comments above, the articles may not be up to ITN standards. Gex4pls (talk) 23:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to the loss of life, no strong opinions on the article quality. At this time, the biggest quality issue seems to be that the target articles are a little thin, but they're not stubs and they appear to be well-sourced. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Carlton Chapman[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express ,The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Indian Football captain Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. RIP. Article looks clean. Start class biography.
I will work on the citations for a bit. Should be ready soon.Didn't require too many updates. Would be nice to add information of his early life outside of his football career. But, with or without that, the article meets expectations for homepage / RD and should be good to go. Ktin (talk) 14:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC) - Support article looks ready to go. Everything sourced. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD passable though info on early/personal life and education would be good as well. Gotitbro (talk) 23:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
October 12[edit]
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(Posted) RD: Jacinda Barclay[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Stephen (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Australian sportswoman, died tragically young. Stephen 22:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
OpposeSupportThe article is pretty messed up, a lot of stuff is where it shouldn't be, and the details of her death aren't even listed. Needs a cleanup, but definitely doableCleaned up, definitely RD ready.Gex4pls (talk) 23:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- What stuff is where it shouldn't be? Her death is under the personal life section. Stephen 23:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
For starters, the tribute from the Sydney Morning Herald shouldn't be in the first paragraph, and it feels like the Australian Football and American Football sections could be combined (maybe the Baseball section too, possibly in a "Career" section.)
- What stuff is where it shouldn't be? Her death is under the personal life section. Stephen 23:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Gex4pls (talk) 12:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has been updated and is well referenced. JennyOz (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jon Gibson[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): pitchfork and others
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Influential, Glass said What would we have done without him. - As usually: there's more in the sources, feel free to add. Took me a while to change the deprecated harv referencing. Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Nice small article. Well referenced. KittenKlub (talk) 16:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Short, but what is there is well referenced and page is suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 16:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support – looks like it meets the criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Roberta McCain[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk • give credit)
– Muboshgu (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support This looks a well sourced, suitable article for RD JW 1961 Talk 20:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral. Her notability seems to be almost entirely premised on her being the wife/mother/grandmother of notable figures. BD2412 T 20:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- BD2412, a 2014 AfD closed as keep. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not saying she's not notable, I just wonder whether she's RD notable. We have tons of state legislature members and one-appearance Olympians who don't rate RD inclusion. BD2412 T 20:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- There's no difference between "notable" and "RD notable". Any living being with a Wiki article is eligible for RD, including state legislators and one-appearance Olympians. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Notability is not a factor in RD nominations. To paraphrase what Muboshgu already said, if an individual is notable enough that they have a Wikipedia article at all, they are notable enough for RD — they don't even necessarily need to be a human (e.g. Grumpy cat was posted). The only factor is the quality of the article, unless there's good reason to believe that the article ought to be deleted due to a lack of notability. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not saying she's not notable, I just wonder whether she's RD notable. We have tons of state legislature members and one-appearance Olympians who don't rate RD inclusion. BD2412 T 20:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- BD2412, a 2014 AfD closed as keep. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support I wish the article focused more on her own actions. I expanded the lead and a section to try to show her role. TJMSmith (talk) 20:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I looked over the article when the news broke and didn't see any barriers for an RD posting. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Agree with TJMSmith, article doesn't say much about her. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, per discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, her longevity and high profile during the 2008 US Presidential election add to her notability, if it matters. Ryan Reeder (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support well-sourced, no glaring issues. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Post-posting support The article is fine and a very interesting life. Gotitbro (talk) 12:22, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing removal: Kyrgyzstan protests[edit]
adding some new sources and updates. Anyway, if this article gets stale and not updated within the next four days, I'm renominating this for OR. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Hasn't been updated in 3 days. Only a bit on info for each day. Coverage has died down considerably, and protests seem to be ending. Also, remember that the Ongoing section isn't a protest ticker. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Does seem to have slipped below the radar lately, but might be wise to wait a bit longer. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wait Two days is too short a time frame to consider making changes to Ongoing status. If by Wednesday or so there's still nothing new, then we can reconsider. --Jayron32 13:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yup. – Sca (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- The government literally surrendered to the protesters. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Uhm...no, they didn't.Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- The government literally surrendered to the protesters. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yup. – Sca (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Removal, add to ITN there appears to be a change of power, as this is looking more like a coup than protests. The new prime minister[3], as well as the old one being arrested[4] should easily be newsworthy, though we should probably still wait a bit for further development. Gex4pls (talk) 15:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose removal – Still going on. [2] [3] – Sca (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose removal per Sca's sources. Vanilla Wizard 💙 15:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support removal I don't know why I'm bothering, but quoting directly from the guidelines "the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information" and "articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening". This makes Sca's links above interesting but worthless for this discussion since the actual article we have featured in the box hasn't been updated in 3 days and the older updates which are present are terrible one-liners. If the guidelines matter at all, if this discussion is anything other than a vote count, then this turd of an article will come down out of the box. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Said guidelines do not specify how long an article can go without being updated for it to fail the "regularly updated" criteria, but removing an item from ongoing for going 2 days is nonsensical. This proposal to remove it is itself going to last longer than that. We would've been removing and re-adding the Hong Kong protests two or three times a week if that was the line we were using to decide than an article is no longer up to date. We're already aware that no shortage of new news is available (which is itself surprising considering that Kyrgystan isn't exactly a place that English language outlets tend to talk about), so it's more than possible for any editor to add more information to the article right now, in which case this entire discussion would be irrelevant, and every support vote would be moot. Wait a little longer than 2 days next time. I shouldn't need to say this, but if it was a "turd of an article" it wouldn't have been added in the first place due to quality issues, of which there are none. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Vanilla Wizard: If you want this article to stay, then you may want to update the article with Sca's links. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- If no one else will then I'll do it today, but bear in mind that the protests themselves and the article documenting them is only one week old. The subject itself hasn't even existed long enough for it to make any sense to decry how outdated the article supposedly is. The protests started eight days ago, the article was updated a couple of days ago, and we're already discussing the timeliness? After I add new material to the article, please kindly consider self-closing the thread, and please don't start another one two or three days later. These sorts of hasty removal nominations unnecessarily take up people's time and should be considered disruptive; this is why I personally believe that editors shouldn't propose removing content unless they personally have attempted to fix it, and this goes for everything from ongoing removal nominations to deletion nominations. In other words, if you diagnose the problem, please try to solve it before burdening someone else with it. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Here is the thing about that. I'm WP:NOTREQUIRED to fix the article. I don't give a damn about Kyrgyzstan. I couldn't even find Kyrgyzstan on a map until I looked it up. I do care about featuring poor quality or outdated content on the "in the news section". You're written more words at this removal nom than have been added to the target article in the last week. If you believe the article should remain then you should update it per the guidelines. Three days without an update, and the previous four days with poor quality one-liner updates do not satisfy the update or quality requirements and the article in it's present state should not be featured at ITN. As for closing, no, that's absurd, this nom will expire off in 6 days when we can try again. If you've a problem with the guidelines, head over to WT:ITN and propose a change, and if you have a problem with my conduct, head on over to WP:ANI where I'd be happy to discuss it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- WP:NOTREQUIRED might not be the policy you wanted to link to there, because it reads "Focus on improving the encyclopedia itself, rather than demanding more from other Wikipedians.", which is exactly why I linked to WP:SOFIXIT - because far too often, including right now, editors have demanded that I do what they won't. You don't need to tell me that I should update it after I've already started making changes to the article, but it's editors like you that are quick to use unnecessarily harsh tones in situations like this that really don't need to be heated that have driven me away from this website. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Here is the thing about that. I'm WP:NOTREQUIRED to fix the article. I don't give a damn about Kyrgyzstan. I couldn't even find Kyrgyzstan on a map until I looked it up. I do care about featuring poor quality or outdated content on the "in the news section". You're written more words at this removal nom than have been added to the target article in the last week. If you believe the article should remain then you should update it per the guidelines. Three days without an update, and the previous four days with poor quality one-liner updates do not satisfy the update or quality requirements and the article in it's present state should not be featured at ITN. As for closing, no, that's absurd, this nom will expire off in 6 days when we can try again. If you've a problem with the guidelines, head over to WT:ITN and propose a change, and if you have a problem with my conduct, head on over to WP:ANI where I'd be happy to discuss it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- If no one else will then I'll do it today, but bear in mind that the protests themselves and the article documenting them is only one week old. The subject itself hasn't even existed long enough for it to make any sense to decry how outdated the article supposedly is. The protests started eight days ago, the article was updated a couple of days ago, and we're already discussing the timeliness? After I add new material to the article, please kindly consider self-closing the thread, and please don't start another one two or three days later. These sorts of hasty removal nominations unnecessarily take up people's time and should be considered disruptive; this is why I personally believe that editors shouldn't propose removing content unless they personally have attempted to fix it, and this goes for everything from ongoing removal nominations to deletion nominations. In other words, if you diagnose the problem, please try to solve it before burdening someone else with it. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Vanilla Wizard: If you want this article to stay, then you may want to update the article with Sca's links. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Said guidelines do not specify how long an article can go without being updated for it to fail the "regularly updated" criteria, but removing an item from ongoing for going 2 days is nonsensical. This proposal to remove it is itself going to last longer than that. We would've been removing and re-adding the Hong Kong protests two or three times a week if that was the line we were using to decide than an article is no longer up to date. We're already aware that no shortage of new news is available (which is itself surprising considering that Kyrgystan isn't exactly a place that English language outlets tend to talk about), so it's more than possible for any editor to add more information to the article right now, in which case this entire discussion would be irrelevant, and every support vote would be moot. Wait a little longer than 2 days next time. I shouldn't need to say this, but if it was a "turd of an article" it wouldn't have been added in the first place due to quality issues, of which there are none. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
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(Needs attention) Nobel Prize in Economics[edit]
Blurb: Paul Milgrom (pictured) and Robert Wilson are awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for their work on auction theory (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Modest Genius (talk • give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.
Nominator's comments: The last Nobel Prize for the year. Unfortunately both articles are going to need a lot of work - Milgrom's is long and (over-)detailed yet mostly unreferenced, whilst Wilson's is short in both length and citations. We have a usable image of Milgrom but not of Wilson. Modest Genius talk 12:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support let’s get Nobel week over with This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, per nominator, both articles need work. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Robert Wilson is fixable, however Paul Milgrom needs a lot of trimming from knowledgeable editors. KittenKlub (talk) 14:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, article has several yellow tags. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support on concept, oppose on quality, per above. Gex4pls (talk) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I just left a note at WP:ECONOMICS about these articles. Perhaps someone will have the time to do an overhaul. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment An image of Wilson should definitely be there when this is posted. Gotitbro (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 NBA Finals[edit]
Blurb: In basketball, the Los Angeles Lakers defeat the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals (MVP LeBron James pictured). (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.
SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 02:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support, looks good. I'm also talking about the game too. Albertaont (talk) 02:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R, looks fine. Gotitbro (talk) 04:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Recap of clinching game has been added.—Bagumba (talk) 04:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support: article looks like it's in good shape. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 05:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Long live the Finals MVP Howard the Duck (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- And GOAT.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Change the caption to "MVP and GOAT LeBron James..." Howard the Duck (talk) 13:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- And GOAT.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
October 11[edit]
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RD: Thomas Atcitty[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Jon698 (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Former member of the New Mexico House of Representatives, Vice President of the Navajo Nation, and President of the Navajo Nation. Jon698 (talk) 16:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Looks well sourced and just about detailed enough — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Morgan[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cincinnati.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Needs more sourcing Should be sufficiently sourced now – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC) – Muboshgu (talk) 15:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Slight Support Probably needs to be trimmed and sourced a bit, but seems ok enough. Gex4pls (talk) 16:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support
A couple of more refs are needed, but it's coming along fine.The article looks fine now KittenKlub (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC) - Support - significant figure in baseball. Limited referencing re broadcasting career has been improved. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 19:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support The article is decent. Marking as Ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Good work on this article. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Clearly ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 00:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Margaret Nolan[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: While death was on the 5th, sources are only reported on it this date. Masem (t) 13:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Needs more sources. Isn't it a bit late? The oldest RDs have deaths dated to October 8. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - whatever the reason for the delay in reporting, it is my concern that it is too late now. The filmography is also entirely unsourced. Nevertheless, RIP Ms. Nolan. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 16:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I think the article is ready for posting. Bingo! Alexcalamaro (talk) 16:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment the filmography remains unsourced, it should be ok after that is fixed JW 1961 Talk 20:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support when article is ready. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Filmography now referenced; looks ready to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note the three citations added to the section generally only cover a small fraction of the credits claimed on the page. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 14:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
RD: Tom Kennedy (television host)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Another delayed reported - died on the 8th but was only first reported on the 11th. Masem (t) 14:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose again, sourcing issues. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, I don't think IMDB is an acceptable source either. Gex4pls (talk) 16:03, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Many citations needed. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
October 10[edit]
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RD: Muhammad Adil Khan[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:
- Nominated by 119.157.96.88 (talk • give credit)
- Updated by TheAafi (talk • give credit)
Article updated
119.157.96.88 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment I think the prominent boxed Twitter quote makes this page look awkward, suggest its removal as there are surely some more reliable sources that could be added in the normal fashion. JW 1961 Talk 22:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)- @Joseywales1961: Removed.~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Simple article but looks good. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – In the lead, "reportedly seen as an influential scholar" seems a bit iffy for Main Page promotion. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Insufficient depth of coverage related to scholarly activities/publications; more detail is needed. SpencerT•C 15:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support I think this article is good to go despite a lower-than-usual depth of coverage of scholarly activities or publications. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: the sources are calling him Maulana not Muhammad. Is that a middle name or something? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- MSGJ, I've already added sources where he is named with his complete, full and common name. Maulana Adil Khan would be equivalent to saying Mufti Taqi Usmani, which is actually Muhammad Taqi Usmani. Thanks ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support I created the article and am looking for each and every offline source to expand it more. I was myself noticing that the twitter box is looking awkward which has been removed now. Good coverage as of now. Thank you! ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted but I'm going to get in trouble for this, because officially this is now stale — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:45, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) French Open[edit]
Blurb: In tennis, Iga Świątek (pictured) wins the Women's Singles at the French Open. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In tennis, Iga Świątek and Rafael Nadal (both pictured) win the Women's Singles and Men's Singles events at the French Open.
News source(s): Women's (ESPN, NY Times); Men's (ESPN, NY Times)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by PCN02WPS (talk • give credit)
- Created by Thetradge (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Amakuru (talk • give credit) and Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.
Nominator's comments: I will be adding prose to each section in the "events" header. Men's winner will be added to blurb tomorrow. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:43, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Article is coming along good. Nice job. Should be ready to support once the Sunday event is completed. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Was about to nominate this myself, though an hour too late. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Haha, you can be "conominator" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Tagging Masem in advance to be prepared to create a composite image once the winner is known :) Ktin (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- I glanced earlier to see the state of the men's finale, but I have no idea if we know who the two finalists are, as if we know that now I can prep both images. --Masem (t) 00:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Tagging Masem in advance to be prepared to create a composite image once the winner is known :) Ktin (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Haha, you can be "conominator" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support as with the US Open weeks ago, and the article is overall in good shape. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Shouldn't the bolded article be the Women's Single one? Also the 2020 article (currently bolded one) reads in present tense which appears incorrect to me. Gotitbro (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support either blurb - the articles are in good shape and listing this meets the ITN purpose of helping readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news: Iga Świątek is #3 on Topviews and Rafael Nadal is #41 for 10/10 [5]. I'd suggest Iga Świątek/Rafael Nadal be the bolded article(s) because those seem to be the pages most readers are looking for. Lev!vich 00:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Commentaire - marquage comme prêt. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- There is no narrative whatsoever on the men's singles and a sentence on the women's. Stephen 02:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
OpposeInsufficient prose for men's and women's singles sections.—Bagumba (talk) 09:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)- Oppose Very scant prose about the highlighted events in the target articles. I know there are spinoff articles, but we need a better synopsis in the main article. --Jayron32 17:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Stephen, Bagumba, and Jayron32, prose summaries have been added for men's and women's singles. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient prose, looks good to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Women's doubles, wheelchair events and boys/girls sections all lack prose. — Amakuru (talk) 10:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Stephen, Amakuru, Bagumba, sourced prose has been added to all events. Hopefully this should be good to go. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
October 9[edit]
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(Posted) RD: Vijay[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BNN India Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Kannada Film Director. Noted movies include Gandhada Gudi and Mayura. Edits done. Start-class Biography. Ktin (talk) 07:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Barebones but RD passable. Though I would like to see more on early life (like education) and his career move (shift to Bangalore) and film industry choice (he was Telugu but mostly made Kannada films). His exact birth date and themes and influences in films would be another point of addition. Gotitbro (talk) 11:42, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks ready. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article satisfactory for RD JW 1961 Talk 19:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jim Dwyer[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk • give credit)
- Updated by JambonOnRye (talk • give credit) and Geo Swan (talk • give credit) and Ktin (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Pulitzer winning journalist. Lung Cancer. Edits done. Passes hygiene checks for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this one. Article looks close to ready for homepage / RD.Ktin (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support – looks like it meets the criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks ready. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support This one looks good to go JW 1961 Talk 19:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Hurricane Delta[edit]
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Blurb: Hurricane Delta kills five people throughout Mexico and the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Delta kills six in Mexico and the United States.
Alternative blurb II: After killing two people in Mexico, Hurricane Delta knocks power to more than 700,000 people as it makes landfall in Louisiana.
Alternative blurb III: After killing two in Mexico, Hurricane Delta makes landfall in Louisiana as a Category 2 hurricane, killing four more people.
Alternative blurb IV: Hurricane Delta at it’s second peak [States]
News source(s): NHC
Credits:
- Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk • give credit)
- Created by Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Sausius (talk • give credit) and ChessEric (talk • give credit) and Elijahandskip (talk • give credit)
- Provisional Support It looks like this is only going to get worse. Let's hold off for a day or two, but definitely ITN material especially as regards Louisiana getting hit twice w/ hurricanes of late This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Wait – extent of impact is unclear. Hundreds of thousands without power doesn't make it notable enough for ITN. fwiw, the alt blurbs are less than ideal or too sensationalistic.~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)- Oppose – Both landfalls of the hurricane were sensationalized: Cancún for being a tourist destination and Louisiana for being already hit by Hurricane Laura in August. Relative to expected impacts of borderline major hurricanes, Delta's effects have been tame. That's not to say it hasn't been destructive, but it's less destructive than would otherwise be expected and below ITN notability. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support thresh Now Although we are focused on Louisiana, I do want to point out that it first hit Mexico, which was also damaged pretty severely damaged. Additionally, we now know that areas are flooded and Lake Charles took another severe hit. That alone makes it worthwhile to add it my opinion.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 05:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – for now, per Cyclonebiskit, and due to apparent absence of news sources. – Sca (talk) 12:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wait, but inclined to support - I wouldn't be opposed to posting right now just based on the damage that Delta is already confirmed to have caused, but more information will inevitably become available in the near future which would allow us to make a more informed decision when assessing the notability. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:39, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Once body count and damages are tallied, a hurricane hitting the US is always a major event, especially in a season like this, and in an area already battered by Laura.(though this one seemed a bit overhyped; here in New Orleans we only had a gusty day.) Gex4pls (talk) 02:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Events always seem more substantially when they happen to you or near you, but we need to maintain an objective POV here. A hurricane hitting the US is NOT always a major event. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Not widely covered at this point. – Sca (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- oppose An insignificant storm in the scheme of things. This storm hasnt had an exceptionally bad impact from what has been portrayed thus far. NoahTalk 16:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Hurricane Delta is this year's Hurricane Wilma. Count Iblis (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wilma was the most powerful hurricane on record in the Atlantic and caused catastrophic damage in Mexico and Florida...Delta was a Category 4 that weakened before both landfall and has, as of writing this, indirectly killed two people. The rate of intensification is meteorologically interesting, but calling Delta 2020’s Wilma is an incredibly misleading comparison.
(Message from Cyclonebiskit on my phone, don’t want to log in when I’m not on my computer. I’ll verify this when I’m home).~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)- Its over exaggerated calling this storm Wilma, though @Cyclonebiskit:, the storm has now killed four. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wilma was the most powerful hurricane on record in the Atlantic and caused catastrophic damage in Mexico and Florida...Delta was a Category 4 that weakened before both landfall and has, as of writing this, indirectly killed two people. The rate of intensification is meteorologically interesting, but calling Delta 2020’s Wilma is an incredibly misleading comparison.
- Oppose - Thankfully ended up being a nothingburger. WaltCip-(talk) 21:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support storm done at least a couple hundred million bucks. Category 2. Better then Gamma. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- As a side note, 4 died. I say we wait 48 hours. Laura's deaths took weeks to pile in. Maria's took months. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @WaltCip, Cyclonebiskit, Hurricane Noah, and Sca: Deaths now up to 5. More reports should be coming in.~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep us posted. – Sca (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Four indirect deaths and one direct does not a notable storm make. I stand by my oppose. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep us posted. – Sca (talk) 23:38, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Average hurricane killing an average number of people while causing an average amount of damage. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 02:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Hold off, mainly per @67.85.37.186, Cyclonebiskit, Destroyeraa, Vanilla Wizard, and Sca: deaths and damage still need to be counted in the US. But I also do agree with @ChessEric: that its damage in Mexico can be reported on as of yet. ~ AC5230 talk 02:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wait For a more clearer and beyond "normal" report of the damage from the hurricane to appear. Gotitbro (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
(Posted) RD: Jimmie Lee Solomon[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; MLB; Houston Chronicle
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit)
Article updated
Bloom6132 (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good, well sourced article JW 1961 Talk 10:52, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks clean and meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:01, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Whitey Ford[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk • give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk • give credit) and Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk • give credit)
Nominator's comments: Chairman of the Board. Best Yankee pitcher ever. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Support Very famous Baseball player. He still holds MLB records. He is this list of all time career wins. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Significant amounts of the article are unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just going to be blunt here. If Monica Roberts is notable enough for the recent death section (See previous days) then a MLB legend must be notable. IMO, if he doesn't get accepted I will go nuts... Elijahandskip (talk) 18:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Black Kite hasn't even talked about whether Ford is famous or not, but the article, as is the case, is missing many sources. This isn't about remarkableness, but about the quality of the article. Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just going to be blunt here. If Monica Roberts is notable enough for the recent death section (See previous days) then a MLB legend must be notable. IMO, if he doesn't get accepted I will go nuts... Elijahandskip (talk) 18:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Support Thirty-nine references. Not sure how this is viewed as coming up short. A MLB icon that goes well beyond HoF. CoatCheck (talk) 19:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Weak Oppose for now.The article is fairly well-sourced, but the "Legacy" section, with the "Career Statistics" and "World Series and All-Star Games" subsections are mostly unsourced. When that's fixed, the article should be good to go. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)- @Black Kite and NorthernFalcon:, I think it's fully sourced now. Please re-review. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now. Good job.NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support decent article, good job on the updates JW 1961 Talk 21:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted. Nice work with the improvements. SpencerT•C 21:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Nobel Peace Prize[edit]
Blurb: The UN World Food Programme (logo pictured) is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts to combat hunger. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54476569
Credits:
- Nominated by KTC (talk • give credit)
Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.
KTC (talk) 12:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support as all the other Nobel Prizes were in ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 12:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Elijahandskip ITNR items do not require support on the merits, just an evaluation of article quality and the blurb. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support just do it. A bit surprised that they gave it to the UN... ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - How does that work? Do they just drape the medal around the logo outside the Rome HQ?--WaltCip-(talk) 13:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, they need a longer ribbon than if they give it to a person. The ribbon in 2012 was especially long. On a more serious note, the target article should probably be the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, which needs some work first. --Tone 13:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree, or in that we still want the recipient to be the target article if not jointly, as with all the other Nobels this week. As Pawnkingthree points out, expanding why the committee gave it the award and adding some additional commentary would help, its not far off. --Masem (t) 14:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, they need a longer ribbon than if they give it to a person. The ribbon in 2012 was especially long. On a more serious note, the target article should probably be the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize, which needs some work first. --Tone 13:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose on quality issues only: the "WFP Innovation Accelerator" is not sourced (its all to program links and not third party), and the Criticism section is rather awkwardly structured. Weak as these are easily fixed and not show stoppers but should be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 13:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose A one-line update is not really sufficient; needs some more detail.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support having a UN organization awarded as Noble prize is unexpected. But maybe all of them nomination (along with Physics) needs to be grouped together in the ITN. 36.68.193.87 (talk) 14:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Weak opposeper Masem. Obviously worth including but the quality issues are significant. I'd go further and say that the Criticism section is abysmal at present. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)- Weak support. I just took a hatchet to the WP:PROMO/WP:UNDUE content in this article, which hopefully makes it passable enough to get on the main page. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support Let's get this over with and we can get back to posting actual news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- You just said in the Van Halen nom below that this is a "more important" story. So what's your angle? Are you just trying to rile people up?--WaltCip-(talk) 16:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- 3 of the 4 stories in ITN are Nobel Prize-related. This seems excessive, but the rules are the rules so we can get back to it. Besides, the NPP isn't even in the news, not on the front page of the BBC (and the Whitmer kidnapping is, which we decided not to post). 16:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orbitalbuzzsaw (talk • contribs)
- You just said in the Van Halen nom below that this is a "more important" story. So what's your angle? Are you just trying to rile people up?--WaltCip-(talk) 16:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support in principle, should target to the Programme to be consistent with the other prize blurbs. Keep the current image of Glück, though, a logo doesn't seem appropriate. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- @John M. Wolfson: Now targets the program. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- John M Wolfson, I was thinking of this as well -- but then, realized that I recall most other UN logos but not the WFP logo, perhaps because I had not seen it much (and hence, had not subconsciously registered it). So, not a bad idea if we want to add the logo as a picture. Perfectly alright to not include as well. Ktin (talk) 18:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough, and I don't believe a logo is entirely unprecedented. I still believe it's suboptimal, but will leave that for the posting admin to decide. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I ended up leaving Louise Glück's photo there. I'm not a fan of either the logo or WFP's headquarters, but if pressed I'd have gone with the logo. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Of all the Nobel prizes, this is the one that seems like a no brainer. I’ve been kinda iffy on whether Nobel season is ITN, but this seems like the most important one. The Image Editor (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- @The Image Editor: Nobel Prizes/"season" is WP:ITN/R, i.e., articles only need to be of main page quality as their notability is already established. Gotitbro (talk) 11:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Marking as ready. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Stephen: Can we have the logo back on, the current picture/caption makes it seem as if the director was also a co-recipient. Gotitbro (talk) 04:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- No it doesn't, it's just the same as when we show the captain of a sports team. Stephen 04:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Agree the building or logo is better than a picture of the ED. It was a team effort; a pic of one man is too much great man-ing. Lev!vich 04:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think the two are comparable and this all the more relevant since Noble Peace Prizes when given to organizations usually also include its leader. Gotitbro (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Stephen, that article has some unreferenced content and might not be ready for homepage as of yet. Ktin (talk) 04:46, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- No it doesn't, it's just the same as when we show the captain of a sports team. Stephen 04:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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