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The word "white"

Hello, everyone. I replaced the word "white" with "harmless" in an article, but it was reverted. Does English Wikipedia currently see no problem with using the word "white" to mean "trustworthy", "do no harm", etc.? Kj4bFan (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I think in the article you edited "white" refers to skin colour, so it makes zero sense for you to replace with the word "harmless" unless you are intentionally being racist, in which case you will be blocked. Polyamorph (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

There is no way that edit is racist. And that's the problem with any idea of blocking racists. In this day and age, more and more people are being labeled as racists (and ruined for it) for being genuinely NOT racist; their "crime" is, they seek to treat everyone the same way. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry what now? The edit made no sense. And neither does your rant on not blocking racists. Polyamorph (talk) 21:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Far more useful would be blocking people who throw around accusations of "racist" willy-nilly, and accompany them with blanket threats. Sense or no sense, racism didn't enter into it until you brought it in. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I presume this was the diff. The sentence could/should be rephrased, but your way made no sense. Johnbod (talk) 12:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kj4bFan: If you haven't done so already, I suggest you follow the reference and read pages 448-451 of Reynolds' book, and then ensure that the Wikipedia article accurately summarizes what is stated in the book. If (like me) you don't have access to the book, then I suggest you don't change the wording. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments. I have read the chapter in question in the source before, using DeepL, but I didn't find it natural in the context that the word appeared in the sense of "of the white race," and I thought it was used to indicate that they had no dangerous objects. I have a lot to learn about the English language, so I'll avoid getting involved in this part of the article any further. My apologies, and thank you again.--Kj4bFan (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Kj4bFan—If you have the source to hand, what is the specific wording they use? It might be that the sentence should be re-written to be clearer; as it originally stood I understood as it caucasian and would not have read it as "harmless" (like in the sense of "a white lie"), but if you saw this as the interpretation it does leave open the possibility that our wording is not clear enough. If you have the original quote we can work out whether anything could be improved. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It seems that another person has since changed the expression to a new one, so I have nothing more to say. But just in case, I will post the relevant chapter for your reference. Please note that the source is from the 2008 edition, while the one shown here is from the 2013 edition, like the one I have. https://books.google.com/books/about/Energy_Flash.html?hl=en&id=CXPZyYHLd-kC --Kj4bFan (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, the relevant chapter starts here. 20 TWO STEPS BEYOND --Kj4bFan (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Previews are unavailable, unfortunately, tMay be a regional difference. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your confirmation and report. Okay, so I'll just quote one paragraph, although it may not be sufficient.

Like most UK garage clubs, Twice as Nice bans trainers, jeans, baseball caps. Scene outsiders often criticize the dress code as elitist. Defenders of the policy argue that it’s good to encourage people to make an effort, and that the dress code keeps trouble out. Actually, the only people deterred by the garage veto on trainers and jeans are scruffy but harmless white college kids. And everybody knows that gangstas like to dress expensive – which is why there are metal detectors on Twice as Nice’s doors.
—Simon Reynolds in Energy Flash

--Kj4bFan (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia Teahouse! For future purposes, what I would suggest is to mention something along the line "Sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language" to prevent any confusions/incorrect assumptions. Also I won't say "Do not eveer edit that article in your life" as you may have thought as always, be careful.--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft review for the article Ahsan Khan Chowdhury

Dear admins, the article draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahsan_Khan_Chowdhury have enough references with newspaper publishing. Requesting to have a look, is anyone can help to approve this pls. ITCaravan (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

ITCaravan, which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish that Chowdhury is notable?   Maproom (talk) 11:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Maproom, In my opinion, the below sources can be considered for the notability of Chowdhury-

https://www.daily-sun.com/post/188563/Ahsan-Khan-Chowdhury-new-Chairman--CEO-of-PRANRFL

https://www.thedailystar.net/business/ahsan-made-chairman-ceo-pran-rfl-1323757

https://www.thedailystar.net/business/news/how-ceos-steering-business-thru-pandemic-2089653

--ITCaravan (talk) 06:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@ITCaravan: Unfortunately, none of them actually shows notability. The first two are based on the same press release – they contain the exact same information, only phrased slightly differently; the Daily Sun includes the phrase "said a press release on Thursday", and The Daily Star says "according to a statement [...] according to the statement." That a press release is published by multiple newspapers is not very strange, but Wikipedia does not treat such sources as separate, and it is a self-published source. The third source, also from The Daily Star, is an interview with no comments or analyses by the newspaper. That makes it a primary source. --bonadea contributions talk 06:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Added: I looked through the other sources in this (current) version of the draft, and the same press release that was published by Daily Sun (source 4) and The Daily Star (source 11) is also source 1, 2 and 5. --bonadea contributions talk 07:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Accessibility - changing the default displayed font size?

Is there any way for me to change ONLY the FONT size that wikipedia articles are displayed in? On mobile, there is a simple "Tt" button, that lets me alter font size and a few other things. Is there anything similar available for desktop? When I use the "+" function in the browser, it makes all of the elements on the page (side menu, images, etc) bigger while the box displaying the article text gets smaller to make room for the rest.

I have vision problems, so this would make browsing wikipedia MUCH simpler for me. Thank you!

In short:

How can I make the font (and nothing else) larger? AliceF (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi AliceF, welcome to the Teahouse. You can add the below or another size to your CSS. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

.mw-body {font-size:125%;}

@AliceF: Many web browsers have an option "Zoom text only"; on Firefox you can find this in View -> Zoom. Check this before trying to zoom in. MKFI (talk) 06:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

User talk page

Is repeatedly blanking your own talk page each time you get a warning punishable? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Not on its own, no, but if the behaviour that merited the warnings continues afterwards then it's a good indicator that someone is not looking to collaborate and listen. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@Grapple X: OK, thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: also note that the act of removing the warning is taken as acknowledgement it's been seen. The "oops I had no idea I even had a talk-page" excuse doesn't work if the page has been blanked! Elemimele (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Blanked Talk page content can still be found by any editor who looks at that person's Contributions. David notMD (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I think RedWarn has a feature that checks talk pages for previous warnings (under advanced when reverting). ― Qwerfjkltalk 13:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Cover Images for songs

Hi im wondering if I can use a cover image from spotify for a song under a fair use license maybe. Am I allowed to do that cause I see songs like Sunday Best have a cover image in their infobox. Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kaleeb18. Please read the policy language at WP:NFCI #1, and follow every step of the policy carefully. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I read it and went to post the cover of it I found on Spotify to wiki commons, but their was no licence thing talking about fair-use. So how do I upload it to wiki commons? Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Non-free content is not allowed on Commons. You need to upload it to Wikipedia, with the detailed justification as laid down in the link provided. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh gotcha Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Article rejected, advised to remove advertising content... need help implementing this advice.

I submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jim_Derhaag and was advised, "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies."

Does this mean that the overall tone should be adjusted? I was not attempting to do an advertisement so I could use help in directing an edit. I'm new to the Wikipedia tools and unsure of how to get help.

The intent of this article is to objectively document the life of the driver/team owner, not to promote the series or any part of Trans Am. If I adjusted references, such as how hard a racing year was, is that what needs to be updated?

Thank you. Race Car 40 (talk) 23:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

WAY TOO MUCH minutia, and no hyperlinks allowed in body of article (that list of drivers for Derhaag). I cut content. You can cut more. David notMD (talk) 04:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Nothing in that list of drivers confirms that they drove for Derhaag. David notMD (talk) 06:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Magazine Cover

Hello. I would like to add a new magazine cover to White Dwarf (magazine). Ideally, there would be a more recent cover in the infobox and an older cover in the history section in order to show the extensive formatting changes the magazine has gone through. I have only ever made minor copy edits, so I was unsure if this would be allowed under Wikipedia's image copyright guidelines. KBEditing (talk) 00:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KBEditing. The White Dwarf article already has one non-free image, and the limit is one per article. You can move the current image to the infobox if you want, but you cannot use two just because one is "new" and one is "old". You can use as many freely licensed images as are appropriate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Could I replace the 'old' cover with a newer one? Also, magazine articles such as Rolling Stone have multiple covers. Are some magazine covers freely licensed and others not? I appreciate your help Cullen328. KBEditing (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

A) Yes, you certainly could. B) The default assumption is that a magazine cover is not freely licensed. Image #2 on the Rolling Stone page is up for deletion only text in a plain typeface, and only a very few words, so there's a solid argument to be made that it's not subject to copyright; image #3 has a separate justification (it's been referred to as the "greatest Rolling Stone cover ever"). DS (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding an image or company logo

Hi all,

I am creating a little article on this company that I came across called Underwood Ammo, I think I added enough to have it go live and I published it as my first "article" or stub, though I intend to keep working on it. The next thing that I would like to add is the company logo, but this brings me to a question that I have on logo's on companies both big and small generally. Do I need to try and reach out to someone at the company, or can I take a screenshot of their logo and upload it? We are not using their logo here for any commercial interests of our own on wikipedia or in any way that I feel would conflict with their interests, but I am no lawyer, and certainly no expert on copyright law etc. I know that we are pretty strict on copyrights here on the wiki, and I've had pictures that I've even taken with my own phone removed before, so I figured I should just as the good 'ole Teahouse and see if you all could help me with something like this, and then I'll know what to do for the future. Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

For information on logos, see Wikipedia:Logos. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue In short and in general, you can add a logo. Screenshot is fine. Go to WP:FUW, chose "Upload a non-free file" > "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc." and follow instructions. Size will be made "legal" automatically by a bot. However you must wait to do this until the article is in mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

So what about when you are uploading a picture in the wikimarkup space and then before you can add it, there is something that says "I own this picture" or something to that effect? You can't proceed without clicking it. Also, where would I include the "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." text? Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 19:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you choose the wrong option from WP:FUW? You need "Upload a non-free file", not "Upload your own or a freely licenced file". --David Biddulph (talk) 20:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hmm.. maybe that is part of the issue. I don't see that option when I go upload a picture. I use the older wikimarkup style when doing all of my editing, and I just click the "Images and Media" button (located to the right of "Link" for hyperlinks, and "Reference" (for adding <ref></ref>). Where should I click/go to just add screenshots and such for learning purposes? I don't think I should have to add a screenshot each and every time I have a question and would like to provide visual evidence for my own learning sake? Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 13:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Did you see my question?

Notability Standards- Music? Apollo Chamber Players

Howdy folks! I've worked on a music group page, and just really curious to hopefully confirm that it meets Notability Standards. Would super appreciate any help and review! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Apollo_Chamber_Players Thanks so much!! Wayneashleymusic 04:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Wayneashleymusic (talk) 04:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wayneashleymusic: Excellent job, it was my pleasure to review this draft. It has been accepted and published. ––FormalDude talk 06:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Move page

Can I move a page from Stahlrohrlanze to my sandbox page? David mystery books research 🕵️‍♂️ (talk) 04:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@David mystery books research, I don't think you should WP:MOVE it to your sandbox, but you can copypaste (WP:COPYWITHIN) part or all of a WP-article there, if you want to work on it there. Just note in the WP:ES: "Copied from Stahlrohrlanze." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

hello everyone

There are many difficulties when I try to write an article on Wikipedia for the first time. Do you have any tips for first-time users? Audrb (talk) 05:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Audrb! I would suggest you read all of Help:Your first article. Some choose to try their hand at other tasks first in order to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia before attempting to write an article. ––FormalDude talk 06:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Audrb! First make sure your topic has the sources demanded at WP:GNG. If it doesn't, pick another topic. Go through WP:TUTORIAL and learn how to add inline references, this is essential. If you intend to try to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. And like FormalDude said, WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

A contribution in Talk, which is worth moving to main pages.

Hi,

I have made some contribution in talk on RUMI, I tried to do it in the main page. Understandably the main pages are locked, this will help preserve the content.

Here are my contributions, please promote to main page if they are going to be helpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1051512484

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1051382148 MehdiAf110 (talk) 09:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, but the text which you posted to the article talk page was not in English. Perhaps you were looking for the Persian Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

In the Persian Wikipedia you'll find the Rumi article at fa:مولوی. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

resubmit declined article

Hi everybody, I tried to write my first article on the english wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:European_Federation_of_Management_Consultancies_Associations_(Feaco)#Past_Presidents I have received feedback that I have not quoted enough sources and have added additional sources (mostly online). The problem is that there are no book sources on Feaco. However, there is a Wikipedia page in the German Wikipedia that has been released: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feaco. Why is this released in German Wikipedia but not in the English one? As a European organisation, this should be possible.

Thank you for your help. Akbn24 (talk) 09:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Albn24 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that the German Wikipedia and the English Wikipedia have different standards, editors, and policies. This means that what is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another version. For example, the German Wikipedia permits and even encourages business-owned accounts for editing, while that is not allowed on the English Wikipedia. In regards to your draft, it is likely to be declined, as it just tells about the company and what it does. Here, articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with signficant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We are not interested in what a company says about itself(such as its "mission") or what it considers to be its own history, only in what others completely unconnected with the company choose to say about it. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

{{glossary}} doesn't seem to like complex language templates?

Apologies if this is the wrong noticeboard for this - I'm not too technically minded.

I've been trying to add the {{glossary}} template to the article Irezumi for maybe the past half hour, and have only just remembered an issue I ran into it last time - it doesn't like language templates.

Now, last time, this was fine - I wrapped {{transl}} around the terms in question, no problem. However, this is more of an issue seemingly for more complex templates like {{nihongo}}.

Here's an example of what throws it for a loop:

{{term|{{nihongo||墨刑|Bokukei, bokkei}}}} {{defn|punishment by tattooing.}}

Having quickly checked, it seems to format properly if I change that to the following:

{{nihongo||墨刑|{{term|Bokukei, bokkei}}}} {{defn|punishment by tattooing.}}

But something about that seems wrong somehow. I wouldn't know exactly what, but it doesn't seem right to interrupt a language template with a term template, when you're only including the transliteration as the term; for users with screenreaders, I don't honestly know how it would format. I'd assume wrongly.

I haven't tried this with other templates like {{zh}}, but I can't imagine they'd play nicely either. I don't want to implement edits that appear fine but have broken accessibility, because that kind of defeats the point of a language template in the first place. Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ineffablebookkeeper. Your issue appears to be with {{term}} and not {{glossary}}. As the documentation says, the first parameter of {{term}} cannot have wiki markup. The parameter is used to produce an id for linking like #bokukei, bokkei. This requires pure text. {{term|bokukei, bokkei|{{nihongo||墨刑|Bokukei, bokkei}}}} produces:

Bokukei, bokkei (墨刑)

PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fotos hochladen in Wikipedia.: Hallo und grüß Gott, kann ich einfach Fotos von mir gemacht zb der Antonskirche in 1100 Wien auf der dazugehörigen Seite von Wikipedia hochladen, damit sich meine Menschen ein umfangreicheres Bild selbst machen können dazu? Danje und 🧡 Gruß aus Wien

 2A02:8388:15C0:9800:28BD:8FE3:F980:6BAF (talk) 10:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

If you intend to edit German WP, you should ask there, this is English WP, and you are expected to communicate in English. If you have photos of the church that you have taken with your own camera, you can upload them on Wikimedia Commons, and then they can be used on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fragen zur deutsche Wikipedia sind hier. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fotos, die du selbst gemacht hast, solltest du hier bei Wikimedia Commons hochladen (das ist das gemeinsame Medien-Repository für alle Wikipedia-Projekte). Dazu benötigst du allerdings ein kostenloses Benutzerkonto (die Angabe einer Email-Adresse ist freiwillig). Hochgeladene Bilder kannst du anschließend dann in passenden Artikeln einbinden. Wie das geht, finderst du hier erklärt. Grüße ⌘ _hugarheimur 04:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Unknown parameter |DUPLICATE-url

Hello, anybody out here being able to give advise on on how to get rid of the Category:CS1 errors: unsupported parameter on the articles? See or example Behzinga? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Lotje (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lotje: You should be able to edit the relevant section with the reference and remove the "|DUPLICATE-archive-url=" and "DUPLICATE-archive-date=" portions, which aren't supported in the template. Preview the result before publish/saving it to check it is correct after you've done the change. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: thank you ever so much. Lotje (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Virat Kohli article

Hiii, I want attention of some of frequent and experienced editors on Virat Kohli. This article is largely written by Indian editors, Eng is not their 1st language. I want you to look it do CE and remove extra content from lead section and career section. This article is too big to navigate and doesn't have proper sub sections, points headings and paragraphs. Do some editing on that . Newton Euro (talk) 12:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

At a glance it seems big enough that forking is not a bad idea but I don't see any problem with headings/paragraphs etc--they're properly ordered and manageable in size, there's just a lot of them. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 12:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: Welcome to the Teahouse! You're welcome to make specific suggestions on the article's talk page: Talk:Virat Kohli. You could also submit a request with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

More specifically, please do so over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Article Improvement - Tone/Primary Sources

Hi,

I'd appreciate some more in depth/detailed help with how I can improve this article for submission. It was already declined so I'd like to ensure this doesn't happen again. It would be great to talk through this with someone as I'm new to Wikipedia and not entirely sure of how the editing process works.

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rajiv_S._Joshi Bridgingv (talk) 12:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bridgingv: Welcome to the Teahouse! Thank you for declaring your COI on your user page. However, your username does not meet our username policy - see WP:CORPNAME. I tagged several pieces of information in your draft that are unreferenced. Either add reliable sources or remove the information. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I've removed some promotional language, some unnecessary verbiage, and some unreferenced claims. I won't be surprised if others can do more. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

FYI

 – Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

 41.114.197.198 (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user! Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Footnote

Hello, I would like to add a footnote to an article pointing out how date of birth is disputed and am not sure how. I looked at the wikipedia footnotes page but it was very confusing. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy Welcome to TeaHouse! You can create a section where the footnotes are stored and add a Template:Reflist. See Police_unions_in_the_United_States#Notes for a live example ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah (he/him • talk) Thank you! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Edição de imagens na Wikipedia

Quais os processos a seguir para editar imagens na Wikipedia? CCAzevedo (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. This is the English language encyclopedia. Please post your question in English. If you need help with the Spanish Wikipedia, the help desk is at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual RudolfRed (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed and CCAzevedo: this is actually Portuguese, the Portuguese teahouse is at pt:Wikipédia:Café dos novatos. dudhhr_Contribs 15:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@CCAzevedo: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're looking for information about the English Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Image use policy. Other language Wikipedias and Wikimedia Commons will have their own policies. If you have a more specific question, we can help provide you with a more specific answer. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Subpage link not appearing

On subpages, for example WP:ANI, the link to the parent page does not appear. It does not seem to be the result of any templates on the page that suppress the link. dudhhr_Contribs 15:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

It appears for me. WP:ANI is a redirect to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents from where there is a link at the top to the parent page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating an Article for La Gritona Tequila

FYI

 – created header --Maresa63 ^Talk 15:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

A friend recently introduced me to La Gritona Tequila, and I believe it merits an article in Wikipedia, similar to articles on other brands of tequila, and, furthermore, I believe it also merits an entry in Wikipedia's List of Tequilas.

One interesting and relevant point is that this excellent tequila is made by a woman-owned company, which, in and of itself, is unusual. For details, please see: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/business/tequila-mexico-women.html . I would be glad to do this, but I lack editing experience, and surely would make a big mess of it and waste a lot of time, my own and others' who would be involved in fixing my inevitable blunders.

I have no personal interest in this product (La Gritona), financial or otherwise, nor do I know anyone who does. But if other tequilas merit pages in Wikipedia, then I believe this one does, too. Here's a link to the website for La Gritona: https://lagritona.com/ .

Thank you! JCNSmith (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@JCNSmith: Welcome to the Teahouse! After reading your post and WP:NPRODUCT, I wonder if it would be better for someone to create an article for the company instead of the product. Either way, an editor would need multiple independent reliable sources to demonstrate that the company/product met Wikipedia's notability criteria. You could post your request at WP:Requested articles, but there's no guarantee that anyone would ever create such an article. GoingBatty (talk) 16:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Do we have any rules on obituaries?

Hi everyone, I was looking at Richard Edmonds and clicked on the "Obituary" link at the bottom, expecting to be taken to a mainstream site such as The Guardian or similar, only to find it's a gushing tribute on a far right site here. Is this appropriate? Do we have any rules on obituary links?

Many thanks. GreebleNeeble (talk) 17:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:RS and WP:BLP apply. Mjroots (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

That's not very helpful. The link is not being used as a source for the article, it's simply a link. As the subject is dead, I don't see how BLP applies either. Can anyone tell me if there are requirements for obituary links please? GreebleNeeble (talk) 17:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@GreebleNeeble, hello! In this particular case, the guidance is at WP:EL. Per that guidance, it should be deleted yesterday. Ick. If this had been an obit in say The Guardian, it would have been ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict), we don't have any rules on obituaries per se. The link was an external link and so the controlling guidelineis at Wikipedia:External links. Basically, rather than referencing actual article material, external links are like "Hey, if you want further enrichment on this general subject, here's some links, take them for what they're worth, we don't guarantee the veracity neutrality or value of the material there". That said, there's a limit. We're not going to link to anything named "Heritage and Destiny - Faith, Folk, Family" because it's safe to assume that's going to have racist lies and nonsense and there's no value to the reader to read that. That's right out, and the link's been removed. You would have been welcome to do it yourself, simply on the general grounds of "No. Just... no." Herostratus (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. I have looked around to see if I could replace the link with a neutral obituary, but the only ones are from that far right site or from sites intrinsically opposed to the far right, neither of which seems appropriate due to the huge biases they have. No link at all seems the way to go. GreebleNeeble (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Subject was a member of the National Front and British National Party, two far-right organisations. The possibility of an obituary which isn't heavily influenced by this either way is slim. I'd suggest avoiding one altogether to be honest, and merely sticking to what facts of life can be sourced outside of one. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Hell - disambiguation? How to go about?

Dr. Hell - disambiguation? How to go about?

Hi all - I am new (well, back after a loong time) to Wikipedia - I am entering some data about a local band and I would like to add the band-members. I have a ton of questions - but first: How do I go about creating an entry? Second, since the band mamber's names are common, they might need disambiguation. How do I go about that? Xumbrega1974 (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

First of all, does the band meet WP:NBAND? Mjroots (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xumbrega1974: You are talking about the band Dr Hell, and not the singer for Evil Scarecrow, right? So... it doesn't look like the band is notable enough for an article. See WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. As you might a imagine, we get lots of attempts to make articles for bands. To simplify, WP:NBAND wants to see two albums an a major label or notable indy label, or a national tour of a major country..

If they did rate an article, and suppose that your guess is that the band and the anime character are roughly equally notable, within an order of magnitude. So, you would

1) Create your article under the name "Dr. Hell (band)", then

2) Edit the page "Dr. Hell" to, instead of being a redirect to "List of Mazinger characters#Dr. Hell", instead be a disambiguation page that says like "Dr. Hell can refer to: 1) Dr. Hell (band), 2) Dr. Hell (anime character)" -- look at an existing disambiguation page and copy the format, then

3) Create a new page "Dr. Hell (anime character)" with the content of "#REDIRECT List of Mazinger characters#Dr. Hell".

As to the band members, they're only going to get articles if they're notable by themselves (meet WP:BIO basically). If not, you're not going to have to worry about disambiguation for them. But you'd follow the same basic process. Herostratus (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info - I guess they will have to wait to meet the WP:NBAND criteria. In the meantime, it is a good exercise for me to play in sandbox etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xumbrega1974 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, and welcome aboard! Herostratus (talk) 23:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Publishing an article

How do you publish a wiki article? GurrenLagann100 (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

GurrenLagann100 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review(Draft:Flame & Moon). This information is provided for you if you use Articles for Creation to create a draft. I would note that if you were to submit your draft now, it would be declined quickly, as it has no independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article is not a way to merely tell about something. It should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Please see Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

An editor is constantly reverting my edit

Hi. I’m relatively new to Wikipedia, still learning how to edit. I’ve been regular updating the plot of a show I watch but for the past month, there is this one editor - Jellysandwich01 that seems experienced and is trying her best to try to revert single one my edits. First she stated I wasn’t following the rules, which I corrected. Then she kept on attacking me saying I use substandard English. I have raised this topic in her discussion page but she never responds, I even brought it up in the talk page of the article but no one responded. Then she dropped me a rather rude message on my talk page saying that I was trying to break rules again. She managed to get the article protected. I have been polite in all my interactions, have even said we can co operate but I never get a reply from her. The problem is I don’t know how to exactly register a complaint or bring the issue under an administrator’s notice because I’m still new and figuring out Wikipedia but I am highly frustrated and feel demotivated. It almost feels like her actions are because of ego issues now, checking her history she seems to do this a lot. Everyone’s edits takes time and efforts, if anyone has any above how to peacefully resolve this, please help. GrottoVilla (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you feel you have not been treated nicely. It does appear (to me) that the issue has to do with the long length of your plot descriptions, whether in plot section or the episode list, and it appears more than one editor has pointed this out. There are avenues for dispute resolution, if necessary, but I suggest you rather focus on the objections to the content you're trying to add, try to ignore the editor's behavior, and consider if the sections would be better for the reader if they were more concise. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@GrottoVilla: I looked at Yeh Hai Chahatein today and made some minor tweaks. In the list of episodes, are the paragraphs starting with "Preesha’s childhood friend Yuvraj..." and "To stop the child care department..." part of Episodes 1-141? Also, is the correct spelling "Saraansh" or "Saransh" or "Saaransh"? (The article should be consistent.) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for responding. Yes I have no issues with focusing on bettering the content at all! Willing to work and cooperate but the editor just keeps reverting it. The list of episodes can be edited further, but I don’t understand why she just deletes the entire section. She’s the only editor whose been doing this. I don’t mind having a discussion how to make it better, but she’s just been rude about it and not willing to listen. Instead I don’t understand why I am getting warnings when she’s basically doing the same. I’ll make it more concise but hopefully it’s not reverted yet again. Thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrottoVilla (talk • contribs)

Suggestions for resubmitted article

Dear all, I have just resubmitted for review an article about a Swiss designer, called Demian Conrad [1]. Recently, following Eternal Shadow's suggestions, I tried to improve the text and tone of the article. It is my first contribution and I hope to do a good job, so I would like to ask your advice on how I could further improve the biography and whether the tone is now appropriate. Thanks for your help!EnḫeduannaS (talk) 19:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@EnḫeduannaS: Hi there! I fixed the punctuation (belongs before the reference, not after), italics, and spacing in the first half of your draft. Hopefully you can review my edits and replicate it on the second half of your draft. I also suggest you pick a consistent citation style for all your references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

How to not get my contributions deleted?

how do I get my contributions confirmed and not deleted ? Akram O. A. (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits to this list must be notable. Many of your Wikilinks are redlinks or linked to erroneous pages. And you cannot use language like this on Wikipedia: "...has an incredible number of views on social medias (more than 6 billion video views 2020)" as that is non-neutral puffery. Hope that helps Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Can partial RfC consensus be reviewed immediately?

I posted a Request for Comment at Talk:CRA International#RfC on lead of Charles River Associates on Oct. 14, 2021, asking whether a paragraph added to the lead was WP:Undue, WP: Impartial and followed WP:Balance. Eight editors have now weighed in and except for the editor who posted the paragraph, everyone agrees the current paragraph violates Wikipedia policy and needs to be removed or rewritten. I work as an employee of CRA, which I disclosed on the Talk page. Another editor has already pointed out that the RfC response of the editor who posted this paragraph feels like WP: Advocacy and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.

With such overwhelming consensus that this paragraph as constituted now is improper, it seems unjustified that it should remain in the lead for perhaps several weeks more while the RFC continues until final status. Even a few weeks of unmerited negative material (written in the voice of Wikipedia) encourages more WP: Advocacy and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I would like to know whether there is an interim solution for removing the offending paragraph while the discussion on the finer points continues in the RfC? Thank you. Basslonick1220 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Basslonick1220 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I think the options here are: 1. Let it go for a few more days (it's only been just over a week), 2. make the edit yourself (or wait for someone else, like anyone reading this, or anyone else involved in the RfC) with the justification that it's a clear consensus and make the change with no need to close the discussion, or 3. make a request for closure and wait for an uninvolved editor to close. I don't think a closure from you or anyone else is needed here, as there's a pretty clear consensus on the RfC, as you said. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Disputes?

Hi I am new to editing, and I added a section to an article (the star wars prequels) and I am unsure if I have stumbled into a dispute or not. I checked with LIbera.chat #wikipedia-en-help. But I am still unsure. Could I get some help in this regard? thank you. Nerdykat65 (talk) 20:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I added a note to the talk page about what I hope others can help me with going forward. I hope this also allows a space for discussion relating to the possible dispute. --Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Your well-referenced content has been reverted, you reverted that, your content reverted again. You have properly started a discussion on the Talk page of the article. The debate about characters designed to speak and to some degree look like existing human racial and cultural groups is in my opinion valid. David notMD (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I hope to add to it more in the future! This is for a class currently! Thank you for your insight.--Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I invited User:Toa Nidhiki05 to the Talk page discussion, as being the (extremely experienced) editor who reverted your addition. David notMD (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I didn't mean to automatically add it back when I moved the section, I just meant to move the section, I did not know it had been deleted again.--Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Coordinate problem

Hi, I just created a article, my first one, but I don't know how to find out the coordinates. I found the coordinates, but it is very confusing. Can someone help with this?

(If someone knows how to do it, link to article: Woodbridge, Indiana. Severestorm28 (talk) 21:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Severestorm28: There are two types of coordinates: one using degrees, minutes and seconds, and the other using just degrees with the minutes and seconds in decimal form. The one you copied (the coordinates for Dolan, IN) uses the former, but {{Coord}} will take either of these formats. For example, if you were trying to put in 39°13'28"N 86°28'25"W, you would input {{coord|39|13|28|N|86|28|55|W|type:city}}. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Severestorm28: I've nominated the article for speedy deletion. Perhaps you just copypasted the article Dolan, Indiana, and changed the name, intending to fill in accurate information about Woodbridge later; but there's no GNIS entry for a Woodbridge in Indiana, and giving the GNIS feature number, coordinates, and other info for Dolan in the article makes it indistinguishable from a hoax. If you can write a properly sourced article for this supposed Woodbridge, I recommend that you do so as a draft and submit it for approval via WP:AFC. Deor (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Deor: I see what I have done wrong. You are correct, because I copied and pasted it. I am deeply sorry for my actions. Perhaps we delete or not? --Severestorm28 (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

new article--living person biography

Can I write a new Wikipedia article even if I haven't ever made edits to other Wikipedia articles? Piacerebbe (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Piacerebbe! Technically, you are allowed to do so, but it's very unlikely that you have the necessary expertise to do so successfully, yet! Creating a new article from scratch is the most difficult task on Wikipedia there is; you need a good working knowledge of how the mechanics of Wikipedia work, what the rules are governing what your text should, may and may not say (especially if its a Biography of a living person), and the general skill of crafting an appropriate non-fiction article (which you may already have if you've written non-fiction to a publishable standard elsewhere). Editing existing articles is one of the best ways to learn a lot of this.

Some editors liken creating an article to building a house (which needs good foundations, a good structural plan, the right materials and the skills to put them together), others to playing a concerto (where you need to be able to read music, play an instrument, and co-ordinate with the other musicians).

Other editors here have more expertise in guiding you to various policies, essays, exercises and other advice that will help you (there's a lot), so I'll leave that to them. Best of luck. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Piacerebbe: No, from a technical standpoint, you must be autoconfirmed to create new pages. Even if you were, I highly suggest that you don't write an article right away, but rather, gain experience by editing existing articles first. Writing brand new articles is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia that requires a large amount of knowledge about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I suggest you to first complete The Wikipedia Adventure first, which is a tutorial about how things work around here. Then, after you gain more experience, read WP:YFA and proceed from there. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I certainly agree that writing an acceptable Wikipedia article is not as easy as many eager new editors imagine, but in my opinion, it is nowhere near as difficult as building a house or playing a concerto. I wrote my first Wikipedia article Dirk van Erp in 2009, about a month after I had registered my Wikipedia account, and had only made 15 previous edits. On the other hand, I had spent months reading Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and had been a published freelance writer for over 30 years. Preparation is very important. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Obviously no-one assets that it is as difficult. The point is that as with those activities, one needs a grasp of the complexity of the task, and of the appropriate skills, knowledge and required procedures involved. I myself have professional experience of researching for and editing others' non-fiction MSS, but am less adept at writing my own material from scratch, which is why I stick to copyediting and answering queries rather than creating new articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Account29 has reverted several of my changes on List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll

Account29 claims my version of the edition is unstable, and that my edits to the page make it appear unstable. Account 29 also claims that my edits do not contribute no information to the page.

I would claim: A - the sums of death tolls are useful, and are how the death tolls for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were derived even though information about their death tolls is already on the page. I produced the following new rows to the table, detailing each of their death tolls: - Syngman Rhee (reverted) - Massacre of poles in Volhynia and eastern Galicia (Not reverted) - Vladimir Lenin (reverted) - Hong Xiuquan (reverted) - Editing Mao's death toll based on hawaii.edu's description of death tolls, and the endurance of the laogoi system. - Adding up all the communist leader's death tolls and making a new row for them. There are other sets of titles which read "various leaders" on the page, including the Young Turks, and the leaders of communist Hungary.

- QRbot believed Account 29's actions were vandalism.

To be clear I wanted to make different death tolls on different parts of Wikipedia consistent with each other.

Is this true? I was not aware he was reverting my edits until just now. Account29 told me to come here. I would like my well cited contributions to stay up. Is there another problem?

Here is the old edit's URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&oldid=1051849188

Hong kuslauski (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Hong kuslauski (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I said it was OR [2] you put from 1917 or 1850 to 2021 communist leaders killed x amount of people [3]. Even are page does not says that from 1850[4]?Account29 (talk) 23:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I am tagging Davide King as it looks like he knows about the history of Mass killings under communist regimes maybe he can help with this.Account29 (talk) 23:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I have also reverted Hong kuslauski on a different page. In addition to the appearance of pushing an ideological agenda, the edits have glaring style and textual problems. I strongly encourage Hong to avoid edit-warring and to listen to advice from the regulars here. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively, Account29 could have told me specifically what was wrong with the 1850 to 1917 post at the time. Once more, there is a case to be made that Hong Xiquan was a proto-communist. No one up until this point has directed me to modify my contributions but has instead overridden them without detailing the reasons beyond completely subjective statements: "This does not help the lede" what is this supposed to mean? I cannot conclude anything except 力's opinion on the matter. Please detail more specifically said textual problems, otherwise I cannot avoid them.

Once more, the promotion of ideological agenda? I have added a variety of conservative massacres to the list of anthropogenic disasters by death toll, including Rhee Syngman & The massacre of Poles in Volhynia, both perpetrated by anti-communists. Why were these contributions not reverted but others were?

In order to "listen to advice from the regulars" I could be given advice to rectify this, What textual problems? Care to list a few? I would love the constructive criticism as opposed to the abrupt shut down . 力, is not made of time though as his page denotes, and people cannot be expected to both moderate and advise me on all issues when I am out of line. Which apparently I often am.

Fair-use Image

Hi, for the article Space 220 Restaurant Im wondering if [[5]] image is under the fair-use that says is the object of discussion in an article.

This is a copyrighted artwork or photograph, and the image itself is the topic of discussion in the article. The discussion is about the photograph or painting as such, as a creative work, not just about the thing or person it shows. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kaleeb18. I do not see any discussion of that photo in the article, and policy language at WP:NFCI says that Non-free images that reasonably could be replaced by free content images are not suitable for Wikipedia. Clearly, a Wikipedia editor could have a meal at this restaurant, take photos, and freely license them. Therefore, that photo cannot be used since it is copyrighted by Disney. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328:

why is kataese deleted?

It is just like any other fictional language and you say it is a hoax so other fictional languages are hoaxes? Please correct if I'm wrong fine i will put it on some other website of something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Kataese (fictional language) was speedy deleted by user:Liz as a blatant hoax. I can't see the deleted content but perhaps Liz will comment. Meters (talk) 00:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Should have read the above more closely, since the OP states that it is a fictional language. Is this a fictional language that appears in any reliable sources, or is it something you made up? Meters (talk) 00:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok but I made a youtube channel and I put that language in one of my videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Kataese is a fictional language like every one else's fictional like Klingon, That is a fictional language and that can stay but when someone else made a fictional language (me) It get deleted and I get made because that was my hard work wasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Keranique-Kaara Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedi is not a place to merely tell the world about something that you created one day. It is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Klingon merits an article because many independent sources have written about it and its use. 331dot (talk) 00:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please don't create multiple threads about the same topic. I have merged them. The fact that you mentioned your made up language on your own YouTube channel is not going to help. Meters (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Keranique-Kaara: The language needs to be notable as Wikipedia defines the term. As this is a personal creation of yours, it's better to let someone make an article for it if it ever gets significantly covered in reliable secondary sources. As it is right now it's of no encyclopedic value to anyone. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

When Tolkien invents a language (Elvish languages (Middle-earth)) it is article-worthy. You, no so much. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The article was deleted due to self-promotion of YouTube channel. Equine-man (talk) 23:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Pantaleón Julian Valdés page

How do I edit the name / title of this page that is currently on my Sandbox? I named the page Dr. Pantaleón Julian Valdés and need to change the title to read Pantaleón Julian Valdés Ilieva (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ilieva: Welcome to the Teahouse! I moved your draft to Draft:Pantaleón Julian Valdés for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Duplicate/spoof username checker

Just for trivial and entertainment purposes, is there a duplicate/spoof username checker available outside of the account creation process (like in the API)? Or is it just available only there? 180.251.148.169 (talk) 01:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not aware of anything like that, but it sounds like it'd be useful. You could try proposing it at WP:VPT. Many editors create unused accounts at usernames similar to their own to ensure that they cannot be used for impersonation. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

You can technically use https://xtools.wmflabs.org/globalcontribs. If you search a username and it has no contributions found, then it is available. ––FormalDude talk 02:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

You can use https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&usprop=cancreate&format=json&formatversion=2&errorformat=wikitext&ususers=username. This one also correctly reports whether a username is blocked by the AntiSpoof Extension. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with creating new page

I want to create at least a stub on the Pokemon Sirfetch'd but I'm not very good at editing. I can get the info down and organize it well but everything else I'll need help with. Tips are helpful. Thanks! UB Blacephalon (talk) 02:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Blacephalon! I'm not sure if a new article on that would be warranted by our policies on what qualifies for a stand-alone page. We even have WP:POKEMON, an essay that speaks specifically to this. Regards, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

But what about all the other stand alone pages? Like Wooloo and that? Plus Sirfetch'd is quite popular now... UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blacephalon: Generally Pokemon need to have made a significant impact outside of the games and shows to the point that reliable sources report on them. Pikachu gets one because of its fame as the series' mascot, and Wooloo gets one because of the intense fan response. Sirfetch'd might be able to have its own standalone if it can be demonstrated that its reception is elevated beyond other species. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Well there's plushes, the anime, I think a couple people taking about it online, the long awaited hype, and more. I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to get its own page. I just need help at least trying to do it... UB Blacephalon (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Pretty sure other Pokemon like Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil, and Mareep also have merchandise and appear in related media. Sirfetch'd would need to be more notable than that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Does youtube count? What sites can count as notable? UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blacephalon: For YouTube, see WP:RSPYT. For examples of other discussions about reliable sources, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

My page

is their anybody to help me design my page? Soni MajorZ (talk) 02:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Soni MajorZ: Welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is for: it is not a place to promote yourself. You may be looking for social media platforms like Instagram or Facebook. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Article Notification - General Notability Guideline

I guess I'm just confused then...I understand the reasoning behind the "notability criteria," but how can a drafted rookie fit the criteria, if they themselves have yet to play in a game? For example, Kelvin Joseph has a page, but he has yet to appear in a regular season game. It's odd that the person (player) was notable enough to be listed within the 2020 NFL season opt-outs, but not notable enough to have a page...or at least it was to me. Born of Iron (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Born of Iron: In general, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. WP:NGRIDIRON is for professional athletes, and the Kelvin Joseph article was created while he was still in college. Does he meet WP:NCOLLATH #3? GoingBatty (talk) 03:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Born of Iron: Kelvin Joseph is considered notable under the General Notability Guideline, with enough significant coverage to warrant an article, even though he has not yet played. Stephen Guidry (American football), the article you created, appears notable under the general criteria as well in my opinion, so I have removed the notability tag. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

addition to Wiki article "List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft"

FYI

 – Fixed section header. GoingBatty (talk) 03:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I was involved in a crash landing in Kano, Nigeria in early 1951 and would like to add the incident to the above topic. Please LMK how I can proceed. Thank youTony S2000 (talk) 03:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Tony 52000 Every crash on that list is an existing Wikipedia article (hence blue lettering). You would first need to create such an article. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tony S2000: - what details do you know - date, airline, aircraft type, type of flight etc? Not all aircraft accidents are notable enough for stand alone articles. Mjroots (talk) 11:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Might be this one, or this one. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Someone who is alive and able to post here in 2021 was probably very young in 1951 (seventy years ago), unless they are badly mistaken about the date; presumably they did not pay much attention to the airline, aircraft type etc. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

There was a crash in Kano in 1956. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I just found this (scroll to the last entry). https://www.baaa-acro.com/city/kano?page=1 A plane that left Kano crash landed in Sudan in 1951. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

getting my submission approved

hello - im having trouble getting a basic submission approved. any help is greatly appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jessica_(musician) BriggsmeetBriggs (talk) 03:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@BriggsmeetBriggs: Welcome to the Teahouse! I made some edits to Draft:Jessica (musician) to remove misplaced duplicate references and match references with the related statements. After doing so, I only see one reliable source about Jessica's solo career - the Rolling Stone review. Which of the 12 criteria at WP:MUSICBIO does Jessica meet? I see you uploaded the photo of her recording her second album as your own work. What is your relationship with Jessica? If you know her, work for her, are her, or have any other conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Support for Article content and reference review

I am not very technically qualified, I need support for reviewing the content of the article and reference links. I need to identify where I am going wrong and how I can rectify it and have the page published. Sumati15473 (talk) 06:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Sumati15473, first, when you talk of "[having] the page published", you seem to be talking about a draft. Which draft? Secondly, in what appears to be your most recent edit to an article, you write "Fernando Morales Coach" https://gopurpleaces.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/coaches/fernando-morales/788. This produces an ugly result, and the title of that page is not "Fernando Morales Coach"; it's "Fernando Morales". A simple reference to the page would be "[https://gopurpleaces.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/coaches/fernando-morales/788 Fernando Morales]", University of Evansville. Accessed 26 October 2021. -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Help

Move Talk:Mako Mako Komuro of Akishino to Talk:Mako Komuro. (a typo)

Delete Mako Kuroda and Talk:Mako Kuroda. (incorrect title)

Move Mako Komuro of Akishino to Mako Komuro. (correct title)

Please. Peter Ormond 💬 09:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: This might be better received over at WP:RM as users that frequent that page have page mover rights. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I am having trouble trying to get a change made.

I am having trouble trying to get a change made.

RPGA 989 should redirect to a disambiguation page that in turn has links to Socket G2 and Socket G1.

As un unregistered editor I can't create it, so I followed the instructions that I got when I tried to edit RPGA 989. ("The page "RPGA 989" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created...")

Here is where I did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:RPGA_989

OK, so a nice person told me on that page that it wasn't the right place, so I followed the new instructions they gave me.

Here is where I did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects_and_categories#Redirect_request:_RPGA_989

It turns out that this isn't the right place to ask either. This time there were no instructions for an IP editor to follow, just a page about the rules for creating a disambiguation page that I am not allowed to create anyhow.

I give up. All I wanted to do was to make Wikipedia better, not be given the runaround and told to go to more places and jump through more hoops.

It kind of feels like Wikipedia doesn't want any suggestions from IPs when they suggest a change that they can't make themselves. I just wanted to make Wikipedia a little bit better by making the link to RPGA 989 go to the correct page(s). I don't want to go to Wikipedia College and get a masters degree in Wikipedia editing just to suggest something that could probably be done in two minutes by someone who already knows how. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:2507:52B6:D594:2D17 (talk) 10:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you have had difficulty. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can, and work in the areas that they want to work in. This sometimes means that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. The first advice you got was correct in that Draft space is for creating drafts, not requesting redirects. I'm not certain of the proper place to actually request what you want to do so I won't send you somewhere else(maybe others know) but I will say that the best way to see an edit made is to do it yourself. Creating an account and doing it yourself would mean that it would get done. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I looked at doing this for you. I fell at the hurdle of not having enough information to achieve it in the way I think you want. I am happy to do this for you if you come to my talk page (linked in my signature) and give me blow by blow instructions

I need to know what the content of the disambiguation page ought to be, and, really, why it is required. The topic area is unfamiliar to me.

"RPGA 989 may refer to Socket G1 (also known as RPGA 989) or to Socket G2 (also known as RPGA 988A)". That's all the disambiguation page needs. The redirect you can copy from RPGA 988A with a different target. --2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Or you could register for an account? Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 11:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you willing to change the page that IPs see to say "you can't do that without registering and we don't allow you to request that somebody else do it" rather than having it imply that an IP is allowed to request a change? 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Timtrent There are already redirect pages for RPGA 988A and RPGA 988B, both created in 2018 and linking to the respective article about the Intel sockets. I don't think that a further disambiguation page for RGPA 988 is needed, since anyone searching for that will find these two alternatives offered in the search box. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

You appear to have confused RPGA 988 with RPGA 989. Most people will realize that a 988A is a kind of 988. Most people will not realize that a 989 accepts 988 CPUs.

RPGA 988 is a 988-hole socket with has two variants, A and B. RPGA 989 is a 989-hole socket that accepts 988-pin CPUs designed for either variant of RPGA 988 but also works with 989-pin CPUs designed for use in RPGA 989 only. You can put a 988-pin CPU in a 989-hole socket with one of the holes not filled. A 989-pin CPU won't go in a 988-hole socket because the extra pin has no hole to go into. It just hits plastic and stops you from inserting the CPU. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The IP's post on AFCRC was
Please create a redirect called RPGA 989 (like the one at RPGA 988B) to Socket G2 or Socket G1 (or maybe a disambiguation page? The RPGA 989 is compatible with both).

From Socket G2: "rPGA 989 (as shown on the left) is a socket that can take Socket Socket G1 (rPGA988A) or Socket socket G2 (rPGA988B) processors."

From Socket G1: "there are Socket G/rPGA 989 sockets that can take Socket G1/rPGA 988A or Socket G2/rPGA 988B packaged processors[citation needed]"

BTW, here is a citation for the above citation needed: https://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Socket%20G2%20(rPGA988B).html (it is in the "Compatible sockets" section of that page. ― Qwerfjkltalk 13:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl @Michael D. Turnbull Thank you both. I saw the AFCRC request, but admit I failed to understand it sufficiently to create an article. I'm leaning towards not required, but have no strong feelings Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 13:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

RPGA 989 is a very common CPU socket for laptops. Wikipedia already has two pages that cover it, but no redirect from RPGA 989. Given how popular it is[6][7][8][9][10][11] a redirect should be created. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, IP editor. Apologies that I did confuse RPGA 988 and RPGA 989. I've now created the redirect from RPGA 989 to Socket G1. You should now be able to edit that page to make it more explanatory (as a disambiguation page) if you think this is needed. Please also add your useful sources to the relevant articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Shivaguevara (talk) 11:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

hi @Shivaguevara: and welcome to the teahouse! do you have a question regarding wikipedia?   melecie   t 12:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Muhammad Aslam Butt

Hello I am a new Wikipedia user, and recently I have created an article of the person which got comments as not enough information to support. I am looking for the experienced users who can help me out in fixing some issues which I was having while writing. I have given references to support the article. There are news online regarding the article which i couldn't understand how to use them. Secondly, how to reference the commemorative plaques of someone. Are these consider a reliable source. As IAM a new user and still learning, any help would be much appreciated. Mohdsaad212 (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Mohdsaad212, you're asking about User:Mohdsaad212/sandbox. This currently has one reference. This reference is presented to back up the assertion "He was elected as the first mayor". That's all. He was elected when, and as the first mayor of where? It appears that these rather important facts are unreferenced. And nothing else in the draft is referenced, either. Worse, the source may look at first glance like an obituary, but a second look suggests that it's more akin to a paid-for death notice. By far the best way to get used to referencing is to put your draft on hold for a few weeks while you make minor edits to existing articles, paying particular attention to the referencing. Incidentally, note that sources don't have to be in English; while English is preferred, sources may be in Urdu, Punjabi, etc. (Whatever the language, the sources have to be reliable, however.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

UUUUUUHHHHHH....

Hey there, Drew here, I have a very very bad feeling about that due to guy who loves Eurovision so much. I am searching all of the Eurovision contests, last years are getting bored as well. The next contest were held on 2022, in Italy (nowadays Turin is hosted), this article was bored with the same thing for the others, because Michele creating first to prepare the article about that. I am frustrating, and I try to editing that will you words, and grammar was better. The next day, I saw that it reverting the article by that guy. I started to anger, I'll just revert back it better! Another next day, I am shocked that guy undo the changes by me. I have crippling depression... so, what now?

note: wait, I think that guy loves Eurovision, Michele1999 and IvanScrooge98- *gasp* COINCIDENCE???!!!?!?!?!?!?! FRIENDS???!!?!???!?!?!!!?? DrewWill2021 (talk) 13:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

DrewWill2021, from what you say above, you have been edit-warring somewhere, instead of discussing the issue at the article's talk page as you should. But as you haven't told us what article this is about, it's hard to tell. Maproom (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I am confused too. I didn’t get what’s going on. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 17:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Not that I can make sense of this, but you have created User:DrewWill2021/sandbox3 which describes the Eurovision Song Contest 2022 as the 67th, to take place in Germany. Meanwhile, Eurovision Song Contest 2022 exists as an article describing the 66th, taking place in Italy. So what is your question? David notMD (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this is in my opinion, that the 2019 contest real winner was Netherlands, to me, I predict the winning Czech Republic, then right to host is Prague. Due to pandemic, I decided to prevailed the shows, finally, that Russia was the winner of Eurovision 2020. Sergey Lazarev, one of the Russian most fan-favorite artist ever. Then right to host though is Moscow. Now then, Voxxclub from Germany is the winner of Eurovision 2021, right Frankfurt as the host for 2022. My opinion, but it's my world, my prediction. Oh, I am a fan of Friday Night Funkin' and Eddsworld, I am made some two different movies that I am very excited. Do you agree??? DrewWill2021 (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Let’s Go Brandon (Loza Alexander song)

Hi, I would like someone to check out the new article I made Let's Go Brandon (Loza Alexander song) to make sure I did everything right. I think I improved a lot since making the Space 220 article Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, the title isn't right. There's no need for disambiguation, Wikipedia has no other article titled "Let's Go Brandon". If the article should exist at all (I have no view on that), it should be titled "Let's Go Brandon". Maproom (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom: I titled it that way cause there are also two other versions of the song that are popular that I was thinking about making and I saw somebody had a draft for the let’s go Brandon chants/memes I’m pretty sure. Kaleeb18 (talk) 18:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Correction

1.How to correct my birth month in wikepedia? It’s November11,1980 not March11,1980 2.Retirement end of January2020 Postman95 (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Postman95 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this is with regards to Yancy de Ocampo. I've removed the birthdate from the article as it doesn't seem to be sourced. Unfortunately we cannot just take your word for your birthdate- it must be found in an independent reliable source. Is your correct date published somewhere? 331dot (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Postman95: If you are Yancy de Ocampo, you should not be editing the article about yourself due to your conflict of interest. You may declare your COI on your user page and post suggestions on the article talk page Talk:Yancy de Ocampo with the {{edit request}} template. Or you could use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Other options are listed at Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Colors

Hello how do I add color to a signature with source? Footloops8 (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Footloops8 (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing_your_signature help you? Vexations (talk) 16:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes thank youFootloops8 (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

girl help read my page

PLEASE. i need you to desperately understand Chobitslover69 (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Chobitslover69: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia in particular? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

help for page

I am trying to add:

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see Help:Contents or Wikipedia:Questions.

to Distress signal, but:

{{Redirect|I need help|help on Wikipedia|[[Help:Contents]] or [[Wikipedia:Questions]]}}

comes out as:

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see [[:Help:Contents or Wikipedia:Questions]].

How do I do this? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that we have a template that use "or" in the way you describe I'd use something like

{{Redirect|I need help|help on Wikipedia|Help:Contents|questions|Wikipedia:Questions}}

, which would give you

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see Help:Contents. For questions, see Wikipedia:Questions.

Vexations (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: I think you could use {{Redirect|I need help|help on Wikipedia|Help:Contents}} to get

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see Help:Contents.

and not bother with the alternative possibility. The existing redirect on Distress signal isn't terribly useful as it suggests an alternative article that doesn't exist. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Okay, I'll use this one and remove the existing redirect because the page has been deleted 4 times. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh {{Hatnote}} could be used:

{{Hatnote| "I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see [[Help:Contents]] or [[Wikipedia:Questions]].}}

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see Help:Contents or Wikipedia:Questions.

 ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: This one is what i'm looking for, thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I added sources but page does not show

I added numerous sources to the page I edited. The page is not visible in a google search. Martin Glintze (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Martin Glintze: Assuming you mean the article Bryce Aron, this was created directly in Main Space on 12 October without going through the WP:AfC process. Hence it won't be available for indexing by search engines until reviewed by the New Pages Patrol, or 90 days have elapsed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The page had appeared in a google search prior to my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Glintze (talk • contribs) 16:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

To know the quality of the article worthy of publish

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Intellihot#References I want to know, I'm practicing my skills on this draft page. I want to know is it worthy of publish? and how to improve it. Thanks Le.Wiki.Man04 (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Intellihot has been nominated for Speedy deletion. You can contest that, but ASAP, copy your content and refs to a place outside Wikipedia, because if the SD is acted on, there will not be any record of its (brief) existence in Wikipedia. Having a draft trashed feels unfair - as you had not yet submitted it - but it happens. David notMD (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

To know the quality of the article worthy of publish II

FYI

 – changed section header, to distinguish from previous section --Maresa63 ^Talk 18:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I recently created an article to create the present, which is available here. This article was deleted in 2019 with a comment, and now I have prepared it with its sources. In your opinion, the authors of this article are not worthy of publication, despite the fact that someone works in a famous group.--Modeling ^(talk) 16:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The fact that the group, Zarbofoot, is subject of an article does not mean that every musician in the group is article-worthy. Note that the article about the group and the articles about two of the members have all been criticized for insufficient referencing. David notMD (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please also understand, مدلینگ ایرانی, that Wikipedia does not accept or decline an article based on the subject's "Worthiness". The criterion is the subject's "Notability", which in Wikipedia jargon means "how extensively the subject has been written about by people and in sources unconnected to the subject." All articles have to be based on the contents of such sources, so if too little has been written about, say, a band member as an individual rather than about their activity within Band X, there is insufficient material on which an article can be based. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

You are right But take a look at the article in my article.I have included the most sources that all Rajab has spoken about and most importantly he has won two prestigious awards in Iran.--Modeling ^(talk) 18:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please take a look at the article and check its sources.--Modeling ^(talk) 18:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

As you can see in the previous poll, this article has been removed with a soft comment. I used the most resources in writing the article and tried to improve the article as much as possible. Can you tell me the main reason for rejecting the article?Ashshan is a member of a group Zarbofoot This group has a good reputation and its members are like Dariush Salehpur They have an article with much less sources than Reza Tajbakhsh I did not understand exactly the forms of the article.--Modeling ^(talk) 18:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

He has also performed as an artist in the performances of the TTehran Symphony Orchestra.Source.--Modeling ^(talk) 19:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

My own opinion is to create the article and leave a second Afd for it.--Modeling ^(talk) 21:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Important Question

Why doesn't Wikipedia have a Suggestion Article? As in, where you can submit suggestions and such, to help improve the overall quality of the website. Almost 20 years of Wikipedia, but not this. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pikiwedia98461: They do exist; they're called talk pages, which are always paired with a page, If you have a suggestion to make for a page, you can go to its talk page and make them there. For larger suggestions, you'd have to go to the village pump (proposals). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about meter/metre throughout wikipedia articles

Hello, I was just wondering if there is a guideline recommending the use of metre v.s. meter thoughout articles. I have seen that some articles, such as freestyle swimming use "meter", while others such as 100 metres freestyle use "metre". Thanks!

Sincerely,
 Rafaelmanman (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rafaelmanman: The relevant guideline is WP:ENGVAR. In short, there is no requirement for uniformity within Wikipedia as a whole, but each article should use a consistent spelling. Deor (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I have noticed that for a while. It reminds me of this one thing in the article Athenian Democracy, where it referred to the size of the quorum as 6000 people, but the courts as up to 6,000 people; notice how one has a comma, and the other doesn't. Also, maybe on the front of the page can be a thing saying wherever it is used by a British or American person using the article (Or something like that, I don't know)? And what if it like autocorrected the language to you, so it would auto-translate (so like if you marked yourself as "American", and you were reading an article that included the word "metre", then it could be corrected to "meter", but only in your view. And it shouldn't be like the 'white to harmless' thing; it should stay as "metre" if there is something signifying that it should not be corrected) and therefore you would see the translation. This would maybe evolve into people using one central Wikipedia, instead of language differed ones. This could also do stuff like changing "mile" to "kilometer" or "kilometre", and I'm American, but I use "kilometer". So it would do stuff like that. This is all very complex and probably will be very hard to insert into Wikipedia, but it could significantly help people. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pikiwedia98461: Please refrain from creating a new question when responding, and click on the "edit source" link next to the heading of the section you want to reply to. Also remember to sign by adding ~~~~ at the end of your posts.
Articles with obvious national ties will use the appropriate variant, while others usually have {{Use American English}} or similar displayed when editing. Changing variants dependent on user would require Javascript or similar scripts, which is, in my opinion, wholly unnecessary and needlessly complicated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me that. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Changing variants dependent on user would require Javascript or similar scripts, which is, in my opinion, wholly unnecessary and needlessly complicated. If some people feel strongly enough about English varieties to care, it would be helpful to them to have an "automated translation" switcher (as long as the default is to not alter the actual text of the articles), similar to how we give instructions in Talk:Muhammad/FAQ Q3 as to how to hide images. It would be quite easy to script wholesale word replacements, but the problem is that an automated tool is going to fail on certain cases; for instance, you do not want the Aerial Lift Bridge to appear as the "aerial elevator bridge" to a GB reader.

For that reason, changing spelling variants is explicitly listed as something that should not be done by a bot in WP:SPELLBOT. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

keeping track of copyright permission requests

I asked about this at the village pump (edited by Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)) a while ago but didn't get a response. So my question is: do we have a place where we keep track of copyright permission requests?

c:Commons:WikiProject Permission requests only shows a handful of entries. This suggests either 1) people don't really bother to ask authors for a release of rights or 2) most of those requests are not publicly recorded. If someone else has requested permission to publish a work under a free license and the copyright holder declines, then it would be useful for others to know so that they don't waste time trying to contact the same author. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Ixfd64 (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ixfd64: Welcome to the Teahouse! Since your question is about Commons, I suggest you ask it on Commons. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks for the response. However, this wasn't a Commons-specific question. I was wondering if we had a local page for keeping track of permission requests because we would need to prove a file is free or get permission to publish it under a free license before it could be transferred to Commons. For example, if the author of a book cover agrees to release it under a free license, then we would need OTRS VRT permission before Commons will accept that file. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ixfd64: I believe most explicit copyright permission are received by directly contacting c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team (often via release generator) instead of going through the Wikiproject. Images with a permission are marked with c:Template:PermissionTicket, and there are more than one million: c:Category:Items with OTRS permission confirmed. MKFI (talk) 06:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Why did he remove this

In the article Let's Go Brandon (song) why in the world did David Gerard get rid of almost everything. I was going to undo his edits, but I thought I would seek an answer from experienced Wikipedia editors first. And he did it just because of the source I can find another source easily there are a lot of websites that talk about the song. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: The edit summary says there is a problem with the source uses. You should discuss it at Talk:Let's_Go_Brandon_(song). RudolfRed (talk) 19:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

waiting for review

I am waiting for a submitted article to be reviewed. Can I expect to receive an email when it is or do I need to check from time to time?Roryjohnston (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Roryjohnston (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Roryjohnston: Welcome to the Teahouse! You will receive a notification on your user talk page when the draft is reviewed. GoingBatty (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Marriage certificates??

Ana Marinovic appears to have got married, and an IP address and GavinReed2021 have attempted to modify the article about her to reflect her married name. These changes have been consistently reverted, presumably as unreferenced. On the Talk page, GavinReed2021 has suggested that he could produce her marriage certificate. This is, I think, a good-faith offer. I've made him aware that if he's close enough to her to have her marriage certificate he almost certainly has a conflict of interest that he must declare. But the problem remains: a marriage certificate is a primary source and I'd have no idea how to cite it anyway. What are we supposed to do in circumstances like this? Do we accept an inaccurate encyclopaedia because we can't prove she's married, or do we accept primary evidence? Elemimele (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

My initial reaction is that the issue isn't so much that a marriage certificate is a primary source, Elemimele, but that it's not a published source, which is a requirement of WP:VERIFY. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Good point. He's also mentioned that they're going to update her website, but my worry there is that her website is what she says about herself, so I don't know if we'd accept that either? This must surely happen fairly often? There are loads of people who have at some point been notable enough to get an article, but who are not now notable enough for independent news sources to rush to their weddings. Elemimele (talk) 20:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:PRIMARY, we accept primary sources for straightforward statements as fact, and I think a marriage would qualify as that (I'm more familiar with the case of dates of birth, for which a primary source is fine; marriages strike me as similar). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

If it is of encyclopaedic interest it will have been reported in independent reliable sources; until and unless those are cited it should not be in the page. People are strongly discouraged from sending in personal documents, partly because anyone can make one in Photoshop in about six minutes, and partly because it puts us in the position of having violated their privacy (even more so if the person providing the document is not the subject). And no, Cordless Larry, I don't think a primary source should ever be used for a date of birth, as we know that's something that people routinely lie about; it's an area where independent sources should always be provided – isn't it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

People do indeed lie about it, Justlettersandnumbers, but I think that we nonetheless accept self-published sources for dates of birth - see the final paragraph at WP:DOB. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Based on the above, I've updated the article to use her married name, but stating her maiden name clearly (it remains with her maiden name as the title, which is probably appropriate as her main claim to notability is probably her sporting career under her maiden name); I have used her website as the (primary) reference. Not sure if I've inserted it in the right place! I honestly think this is the best that can be done. Thank you for the advice above. Elemimele (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Tangential comment: I was interested to discover that marriage certificates include the married names of the bride(s) and groom(s) in some jurisdictions! I never knew that. --bonadea contributions talk 07:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Elemimele a marriage certificate is a local government document, usually kept at a courthouse, and a copy is accessible to all, not just someone with close ties to the married couple. (Births, deaths and marriage records are considered public records, and accessible by the public.) When I was editing the article about actor Jack Orrison I wanted his 1937 marriage license (which had his marriage certification attached to it) as a backup source to verify published references I'd obtained. I went to the county courthouse website and ordered a copy of the marriage license to be mailed to me. I referenced it as: Westmoreland Co., PA Marriage License Docket No. 56, page 125, the docketing location listed on the license. I hope this is of help to you, if you obtain a copy of a marriage certificate. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Karenthewriter, thanks, that's well worth knowing. In this instance, since the subject's personal web-page has now been updated to include her married name, I've used that as a primary-source-supporting-straightforward-fact, and no one has reverted it yet. Editing WP is educational! Elemimele (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Repeated non-acceptance of a Wiki Page

I have submitted twice a wiki page for Vicki Mack Lataillade a Gospel Industry Icon, recognized by all of the major Gospel organizations, we have submitted a number of article references industry awards, and yet the page is not accepted. Who is the Wiki reviewer? Can we get someone who is knowledgeable of the Gospel Industry? I cannot understand why (they give a reason, but it is not of sufficient merit to be believed). This is very troubling when a see a number of wiki pages with far less references or maybe none. Don't understand this logic. ClaudeLataillade (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC) ClaudeLataillade (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Vicki Mack Lataillade Please read WP:COI, since you share the same last name. In the meantime, I'll review the article for sourcing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

ClaudeLataillade, do you have some connection to Leonzaigirdar? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

ClaudeLataillade, why do you say "we"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@ClaudeLataillade: Welcome to the Teahouse! The usernames of the reviewers are listed on the pink boxes on Draft:Vicki Mack Lataillade as well on the yellow boxes on User talk:Leonzaigirdar. I followed the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" instructions on the pink box on the draft and added {{WikiProject Gospel music}} to the draft page, in the hopes that it will attract editors who are knowledgeable of the Gospel industry. Some of the existing Wikipedia articles don't meet Wikipedia's guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them. I did some copyediting and reference tweaking on your draft. GoingBatty (talk) 23:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I was wondering how to add categories to a page.

I was struggling with adding categories on pages. I read over the wikipedia article about categorization but I couldn't find an answer. Btw i am on smartphone in case maybe that might make a difference to my situation? Bpk365 (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bpk365: All you have to do is add [[Category:Name]] to the end of the article's source code, replacing Name with the name of the category. ––FormalDude talk 22:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thanks so much! I really appreciate the reply! (Bpk365 (talk) 22:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC))

Fixing Citations and Re-verifying My Page

I noticed that a window popped up on my Wiki page saying I need citations and verification all of a sudden. Not sure why or how this happened but figured I would ask here and see if anyone can help! Please let me know if you might be able to help. Thank you! 2603:8001:6501:4B27:5C92:8C83:60E5:2CCC (talk) 22:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles on Wikipedia must have reliable, verifiable sourcing. While I'm not sure on which specific article you are seeing this notice on, it should be fixed. We need good sources that show why the article's subject is important. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 22:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Jared Evan You'll get a better response from others if you refer to Wikipedia articles as articles instead of pages, which is really a social media term which denigrates the work of volunteers. The page may be about you, but since anyone can edit it, it belongs to the collective audience. Amazon and YouTube videos make poor sources, since most of them are user generated content. Verifiable sources not controlled by the article subjects help demonstrate notability of the article subjects, and verify the information in the articles. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Since the article is about you, you should not be editing it directly per WP:PSCOI. Instead, you may suggestions on the article's talk page Talk:Jared Evan with the {{request edit}} or use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Uploading gif image to mood ring site

Greetings. I need someone to walk me thru how to add a gif image of THE original mood ring to replace the copycat mood ring image on the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_ring Moodman001 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Moodman001 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Moodman001: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try this:

1. Take a photo of your original mood ring.
2. Go to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, click "Upload your own or a freely licensed file", and follow the prompts to upload the file and give it a unique file name.
3. Go to the Mood ring article and click "Edit source".
4. Replace [[File:Moodring1.jpg|thumb|A mood ring shown face front, showing a band of green color change across a brown background]] with something like [[File:Yourfilename.gif|thumb|Your description of your photo]] and click "Show preview".
5. If it doesn't look right, tweak your code and preview again.
6. When it looks good, write an edit summary and click "Publish changes".

Hope this helps - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How to become an Editor and Administrator

What are the requirements for one to become a verified editor and/or administrator so that they can decline or rather accept Drafts, and also earn badges? Motlatlaneo (talk) 01:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Motlatlaneo: There's several different topics you've mentioned here, so I'll do my best to disambiguate them.

1. You are an editor already! Anyone who registers an account could be seen as a "verified" editor (as compared to those who edit without registering an account), but there is technically no such thing as a "verified" editor in the way that there is on Twitter, for example.
2. An administrator has tools like being able to block other users, and it takes quite some time and effort to become one. An editor does need to become an administrator in order to decline or accept drafts–they only need to become an AFC reviewer.
3. You may be referring to badges that you've seen Teahouse hosts earn. These are Wikipedia:Awards that can be given by anyone to anyone.

Let us know if you have any additional questions! ––FormalDude talk 01:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Reviewers accept or decline (or reject) drafts. AfC reviewers must have:

• a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old.
• a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles (this is not the same as total number of edits).
• thoroughly read and understood the reviewing instructions.
• a demonstrated understanding of the policies and guidelines mentioned in the reviewing instructions, including the various notability guidelines.
• reasonable evidence of understanding the deletion policy (experience in areas such as CSD/AfD/PROD or page curation, while not mandatory, are beneficial).
• a willingness and ability to respond in a timely manner to questions about their reviews.
  • This in answer to your Draft question. David notMD (talk) 02:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

You probably don't need to worry about becoming an administrator, Motlatlaneo; but if you're interested, you might look at a recent example. Here, we see Blablubbs' trial by questions on Blablubbs' way to becoming an administrator. (If you're like me, you'll have difficulty understanding a number of the questions, let alone knowing how best to answer them.) Aside from having done a lot of excellent administrative work, Blablubbs did most of what we now see in the article Wolfdietrich Schnurre. -- Hoary (talk) 04:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: If you meant to link to Blablubbs' RFA, you didn't.

@Motlatlaneo: Your account is 4 years old but you have only 9 edits. Becoming an administrator requires proof of a wide diversity of experience in your contribution history, which typically requires thousands of edits in many different areas of the Wikipedia project (such as deletion discussions, vandalism reporting, dispute resolution, article protection, good article reviews, and so forth). Then you go through a week-long trial by the community, which I personally found to be a stressful experience that I wouldn't care to repeat, especially since all of this is unpaid volunteer work. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Anachronist, I didn't? (It looks to me like that RfA.) My own "trial by the community" was pretty painless, but that was before the process became oddly farcical. If I were to undergo it now, its demands for stamina and solemnity would be too much; my responses would probably be desultory and irreverent. -- Hoary (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editors who are not logged in uses IP address

The every single editor are not logged in uses IP addresses will be publicly visible. It says on editor screen: "You are not logged in. Your IP address will be publicly visible if you make any edits. If you log in or create an account, your edits will be attributed to a username, among other benefits." Can you give us more information about logging in as user account without any IP addresses? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9105:6104:2624:534B (talk) 03:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

You'd need to register an account to log into first. (If you cannot do this directly due to a block on your IP, contact WP:ACC.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Many newcomers to editing Wikipedia are under the false impression that editing without creating an account is the most anonymous way of editing. This is incorrect, because such editors disclose their IP addresses, which can provide many clues to an editor's location and perhaps be one of several clues that results in their identity being compromised. Creating an account allows the maximum level of anonymity and confidentiality, if an editor is careful to avoid disclosing any personally identifying information. Like me, some editors openly disclose their real world identity, but that irrevocable decision should be considered carefully and implemented by well-informed adults. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Constructive edits

I had a notice on my talk page that "your recent contributions to Sutherland Springs church shooting have been undone because they did not appear constructive." I was told specifically that the edits were in fact constructive. What exactly was incorrect about the sources that I used for my edits? Am I allowed to remove notifications on my own talk page in order to clean up space? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Love of Corey reverted your edit, so I suggest contacting that editor with your question. From WP:OWNTALK, "The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user.... Some new users believe they can hide critical comments by deleting them. This is not true: Such comments can always be retrieved from the page history." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Appears you added names of victims and Love of Corey reverted that. From looking at Mass shootings in the United States, many, but not all, of the articles list victims. David notMD (talk) 10:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with the sources I used, from my understanding. Thanks for the feedback! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Finding proper category.

I removed the redirect and added some extra sources. Now I want to find the proper categories to add at the bottom. Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan. --ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC) ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Addition of categories is an odd task. I start by looking for a selection of articles that are comparable in some way, and using their categories if these are directly applicable, and tweaking the categories if they instead need tweaking. NB each category should fit, and (unlike redlinks within text) should already exist. -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by NB? ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Nota bene; "note well". -- Hoary (talk) 06:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing Soomra

Hi there,

I am editing Soomro wiki and each time I do that it goes back to obnoxious and false information presented on Soomros. Being Soomro and a student of history myself, I represent my community and therefore I make changes based on history. Thanks Rostam.smr (talk) 06:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rostam.smr. Your personal experiences and studies of the topic Soomra are of no value in editing Wikipedia, unless you provide references to reliable, independent sources that verify the content you want to change. "Representative of a community" is not an accepted role on Wikipedia because we summarize reliable sources instead of engaging in advocacy. Any Wikipedia editor of any nationality, ethnicity, caste or tribal identification can edit any article here, as long as they neutrally summarize reliable sources. If other editors contest your content changes, then you are expected to go to the article talk pages and build consensus for the changes that you want to make. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Featured article

How to make Featured article? From today's featured article (talk) 08:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Much experience, energetic source hunting, voracious and careful reading, ... and that (and more) is all before you start on the writing stage. -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It's probably easier to start with an article that has already been assessed as "B" or above on the scale given at WP:ASSESS. Articles don't become featured until they have gone through a rigorous peer-review process (described at WP:FAC) and I doubt that anyone has ever written such an article from scratch without the assistance of other editors. However, don't be put off trying.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The very, very rare Wikipedia:Four Award is given to editors who sequentially created a new article, did a "Did You Know" for that article (after creation or after GA), raised it to GA and subsequently to FA. Articles have been moved from B-class to FA, but the more traveled path is C-class or B-class to GA, and from there, to FA. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and "From today's featured article" is a BAD choice for a User name. I strongly suggest you abandon the account and start a new one with a different name. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft review Maya Lasker-Wallfisch

Draft:Maya Lasker-Wallfisch ... I struggle to understand the issues with this article, as it cites several independent newspaper articles (naming the authors) plus public radio broadcasts and the event section of institutions like the Jewish museum and a holocaust center.... any ideas? Draft:Maya Lasker-Wallfisch Fu-Lank (talk) 08:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Fu-Lank, to establish that the subject is notable, the draft will need to cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of her. Which three of the sources currently cited, in your opinion, best fulfil those criteria? Maproom (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Maproom #1 a radio feature on Deutschlandfunk Kultur (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/maya-lasker-wallfisch-briefe-nach-breslau-die-grausame.950.de.html?dram:article_id=478394) (Germany's aequivalent of the BBC), #2 an article in weekly newspaper Der Freitag (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/maya-lasker-wallfisch-briefe-nach-breslau-die-grausame.950.de.html?dram:article_id=478394) and #3 a review by MARTA KIJOWSKA on Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (25.07.2020), reprint here (https://www.buecher.de/shop/drittes-reich/briefe-nach-breslau/lasker-wallfisch-maya/products_products/detail/prod_id/57912916/ look for REZENSIONEN (=reviews), then click on 'mehr') Fu-Lank (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

1. reports what the subject has said, and so is not independent.
2. (assuming you meant to link to https://www.freitag.de/autoren/der-freitag/arbeit-am-trauma-1) reports what she has written, and so is not independent.
3. is a review of a book she has written. It does tell us about her, but only what the reviewer has learned from the book, so I don't think that counts as independent either. Maproom (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding Photos

Hi, I’m fairly new to Wiki and have figured out the basics with text, boxes, tables etc.. but was wanting to learn about adding photos and what type of photos can be added as I somehow managed it once but it was deleted. Any help appreciated!

 Bradonwiki (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bradonwiki, Welcome! In short: The basic assumption is that any random pic you find online can't be used because copyright. At Commons you can find a large collection of images that are ok to use. At Commons you are welcome to upload pics you have taken yourself. WP:NONFREE pics like logos or bookcovers can be used in a very limited extent, but these are uploaded on WP itself, not Commons. More at WP:IMAGES. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Putting link in both infobox and first use or mention in article

To me, if a term in a Wikipedia article that has its own article is mentioned in both the infobox of the article and the text of the article, I'm inclined to link the term in both the infobox and the first use or mention in the article text. This is because I'm not certain all readers read the infobox or follow links in it, and there may be some readers who only read the infobox and not the article text.

As an example, the infobox on Yiddish has the term "minority language." The article text also uses that term. There is an article Minority language on Wikipedia. I would be inclined to link both "minority language" in the Yiddish infobox and the first use of "minority language" in the Yiddish article text.

What do others think? Is there any official, or widely adhered to, policy? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The guidance on repeat links is at MOS:REPEATLINK. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Tense in captions

Is there a preferred tense when captioning depictions of, broadly speaking, the past? Some examples to illustrate:

(from World Trade Center (1973–2001))

The original complex in March 2001. The tower on the left, with antenna spire, was 1 WTC. The tower on the right was 2 WTC. All seven buildings of the WTC complex are partially visible. The red granite-clad building left of the Twin Towers was the original 7 World Trade Center. In the background is the East River.

A fireball rises in the immediate aftermath of United Airlines Flight 175 hitting the South Tower during the September 11 attacks.

(from Arecibo Telescope)

A detailed view of the beam-steering mechanism. The triangular platform at the top was fixed, and the azimuth arm rotated beneath it. To the right was the Gregorian sub-reflector, and to the left was the remains of the 96-foot-long (29 m) line feed tuned to 430 MHz (destroyed by Hurricane Maria). Also to the right was the catwalk and part of the rectangular waveguide that brought the 2.5 MW 430 MHz radar transmitter's signal up to the focal region.

Panoramic view of the Arecibo radio telescope primary dish. The radar transmitters can be seen at the base of the dish.

"The tower was" versus "a fireball rises", "the platform was" versus "transmitters can be seen". I looked at the style manual, but WP:CAPTION doesn't mention tenses and WP:TENSE doesn't mention captions, so no immediate help there.

Of course, captions don't really need verbs in the first place: "The original complex in March 2001." So the question need not come up at all. But while that works well for individual sentences, it doesn't hold up as well when applied throughout a paragraph. And a past tense is of course required when referring to something that happened before the photograph was taken, like the "destroyed by Hurricane Maria" parenthetical.

I like present tense elsewhere, though. On the one hand, this can simply be considered a case of historical present, especially when it is natural to think of the subject matter as an event rather than an entity, like "a fireball rises". On the other hand, the choice of tense entails a choice of frame of reference: Using the past suggests we're talking about the thing; using the present suggests we're talking about the picture. And that we're typically doing the latter is shown by the use of directional terms, which have meaning only in that context: The "right" in "to the right was the catwalk" is about its location in the picture, not its location in reality. And as the picture exists in the present, saying that "the catwalk is to the right" is arguably sounder than that it "was to the right".

Granted, a similar argument can be made vice versa: "In the background was the East River" could be justified by noting that even though the East River exists in the present, "in the background" establishes the frame of reference as the picture, not reality, and the picture was taken in the past. Unless the taking of the picture was somehow a notable event in and of itself, though, that perspective would be a rather peculiar one to adopt, surely.

Thoughts?

- 2A02:560:42A1:700:E8EB:87DF:3948:D496 (talk) 13:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Interesting points to mull over there! I think there is no single answer as to which is the correct tense to use in any caption - so much depends on context. Regarding the beam-steering mechanism photo of the radio telescope, my take-away impression from the tense used is that the device no longer exists or can be seen in that form, and thus the past tense is acceptable there. It would equally be OK to caption an image as "Beam steering mechanism prior to its destruction in the storm of 1980. The beam sits upon the widget which is mounted on the flange-bracket" i.e. having set the context (the past), it's then OK to describe the image using the present tense.

I'm also happy with the present tense being used in the fireball photo, as a date context is given, not only in the caption itself, but no doubt within the article about the event. We know something happened in 2001, and the photo caption describes what is happening at that point back in time. We, the viewers, are being taken back in time to that point by means of the caption text, and thus we are now being invited to look at those events as they are happening by means of the present tense. And I'm fine with that in these examples you've shown us. Good photos and well-worded captions can, and should, give life, interest and relevance to an article. Obviously all photos show a past moment in time, and objects different in their permanence, so I think judgement has to be used, as well as an understanding of how the photo is being deployed and interpreted within the article. The key test in all cases, I feel, is whether your mind jars as you read a caption or an article. If it doesn't, and if it makes sense, then it will have probably been using the correct tense. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Nick Moyes, and I think that the captions above are fine. If I really wanted to be pedantic, I'd write "Also to the right were the catwalk and part of the rectangular waveguide". Maproom (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Employing an untensed opening like "beam steering mechanism prior to its destruction" to re-frame the tensed remainder of the description may well be the most elegant solution available in English. Nice! :)

- 2A02:560:42A1:700:E8EB:87DF:3948:D496 (talk) 15:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:Academic and my draft

Hello everyone. I had created a draft which was moved to draft because it didn't have reliable sources. Drafts is this Draft:B Unnikrishnan (Academic). I was also asked to check criteria for academics. One of that is highly cited academic work. Check work here [12]. There are many pages of academics that are short and don't have reliable sources. So why not this one? The person has papers that have even more than 500 citations. Why this discrimination? Mtpos (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mtpos: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are many articles that do not meet Wikipedia's current guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them. It's possible to demonstrate that a person meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for academics in a short article (e.g. member/fellow of a prestigious scholarly society, named chair). Which of the criteria does Unnikrishnan meet? Also, could you please fix the link in reference #1? Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Question related to WP:BLPCRIME

In the article Sameer Wankhede a recent arrest of one actor's son is mentioned. Is it violating WP:BLPCRIME? Eevee01^(talk) 14:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01: Good question, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think probably 'yes' is the answer. There is no date to give context to the article. It simply states:

He is leading the investigation of Cordelia drug case involving Joe Bloggs, son of [wikilinked] Bollywood actor Fred Bloggs.[ref]

Fred Bloggs is wikilinked to an existing article, so I might rephrase it as:

In 2021 he led an investigation of the Cordelia drug case involving a member of the family of [wikilinked] Bollywood actor Fred Bloggs.[ref]

However, if this unexplained "Cordelia case" is just some minor event, and not a major investigation with good news coverage, I might have thought it best to simply remove the sentence and ref entirely from the article. Context, as always, is important. Assuming the article is not deleted, this could be discussed further on the talk page, and consensus reached. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thank you for your quick response. He was arrested on 3 October 2021. It is not that huge event. I have already started a new discussion in the talk page of the said article. If no one replies or objects, then I'll remove it. Eevee01^(talk) 15:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01 OK. Feel free to copy my comment over from here if it helps, or supply a diff, if you prefer. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@User:Eevee01, yes, good question, and I agree completely, so I've taken the liberty of truncating the sentence, to say that the subject of the article is involved in the Cordelia drugs case. Yes, the statement was referenced, but we have no idea whether this drugs case will ever be notable. WP is not a newspaper, and we don't have to be hot on the trail of the story. We are writing truth about notable things for posterity, not hot celebrity gossip. The accused is actually rather far removed from the article; he's a defendant nicked by the subject, and the subject's article is being discussed for deletion anyway. The accused is only notable for being the offspring of someone notable. All in all, it's far too soon to know if any of this lot is worthy of an article in WP, and until then, you're quite right, we have to be careful about BLP. The story may be true, but it may be disproportionate to advertise the alleged offence here, now. So let's wait and see. Elemimele (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Citing newspaper article found on NewsBank

Hello,

What is the proper way to cite a newspaper article that I found using NewsBank (access to NewsBank from public library)? A template and example would be very helpful.

Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 15:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could use the {{cite news}} template. Template:Cite news mentions NewsBank in the description of the |via= parameter. I quick search for "NewsBank" shows that the Sam Quek article has several examples of references to articles on NewsBank. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Trillkat. It might have helped had you given us a url to a news article you wanted to cite. But either of our two editing tools have a 'Cite' button and a 'News template' built into them, including the ability to paste in a url and get it to automatically populate most of the fields. You just fill in the rest. I have just used Source Editor to reply to you, and there's a Cite button which lets me select the relevant template template (book, website, news, journal). You can do the same with WP:Visual Editor, though the template buttons are laid out differently. Either way, you might make a statement and support it with a reference, thus:

Nick Moyes said that he had some sympathy for Mr Hatton's concerns, but rejected the logic of his argument.

Just don't do what I did when I first started here many years ago, and simply tried to manually complete all the cite fields from scratch by copying another reference and editing it to fit. Just use the cite button to make your life simple and quick. Does that address your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

References

Help with establishing notability

I have been working on this entry on an important public historian: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Peter_Benes&action=submit. As you'll see from the Talk, one editor (much to my surprise) dismissed Notability outright; another has engaged in a more thoughtful exchange, but the conversation still seems to be distracted, I think, with questions about whether the "best book" awards cited are themselves "notable," etc. But the central premise for Notability here not the publication record per se, but rather that the subject of this entry is the founder of an important scholarly organization that itself already has an entry (the person is also a highly-respected historian whose publications have consistently won awards, so that is part of the entry, but it's not the basis for Notability in and of itself), so I'm just puzzled about these questions. The entry to me looks completely consistent with other entries on prominent historians. I'd love to bring this work to a close--and would welcome any help that could be offered here! Mrmedit (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mrmedit: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are many articles that do not meet Wikipedia's current guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them. Regarding Draft:Peter Benes, per WP:BASIC, which are the three best independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Benes? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mrmedit. A reference that says "Boston Globe, Sept 30, 1982" is of almost no value. The reference should contain the title of the article and the name of the author, and if the content is not available online, the page number. You have a lot of URLs in your references, which should not be visible. Please take a close look at Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing

Hello! I am new to Wikipedia and I have a question. After editing and creating a draft on a page, how do I send it for review? Thank you! Alpha phoenix679 (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alpha phoenix679: Welcome to the Teahouse! To submit a draft for review, simply add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. If you were to submit Draft:Spy+ for review, it would be rejected for not having any independent sources demonstrating how the company meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for companies. If you haven't done so already, I recommend you review Help:Your first article. You might also want to gain more experience editing existing articles before trying to tackle creating a new article, which is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alpha phoenix679, welcome! You can use this link: Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation#Submitting_for_review. However, if you submit Draft:Spy+ as written, it will not be accepted. WP:NORG and WP:YFA may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Kachwaha

The Kachwaha dynasty was established by Dulherai after the end of Raja Alan Singh Chanda, the ruler of Chanda dynasty. Therefore, in the history of Kachwaha dynasty, include the history of Raja Alan Singh Chanda, the ruler of Chanda dynasty. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I see that you have made the suggestion on the talk page of the relevant article, but you need to support the suggestion with a reference to a published reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Muddy (film)

The article Muddy (film) was moved to draft Draft: Muddy (film), the reason was neither developed the production section nor not released yet. As per the suggestions by some admins from the WP:HELPDESK, I improved the production section and added more reliable references to it. But rejected. Still saying that it is not meeting film notability. But in my view and as per the guideline I think it meets WP:NFILM. Please tell where I didn't cover and where I should improve. please help! there are some film articles on mainspace which haven't been released yet such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnal_Murali That's why I am confused. Muddy is the first-ever Indian film of an off-road mud race as well as a multilingual one. I expect a scope of wikiproject film. Thank you !! Onmyway22 (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Onmyway22: When you have a question, please post it on the Help desk or the Teahouse, but not both. Since you started at the Help desk, let's keep the discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk#Muddy (film). Thanks! 16:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)